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The result was redirect to Meshuggah. I specifically rejected the argument to keep which suggested we could find better sources on the band's own website. That's pretty much the definition of not a WP:RS. There's no reason to delete the history; it may be useful for material to merge. Such a merge is clearly not part of the consensus, but not prohibited either. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:13, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Jens Kidman
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Unreliable sources ; All except 1 (the loudwire article) are unreliable. I cannot access the Loudwire article due to GDPR access prevention. Also contains WP:FLOWERY language like famous and unique while those claims are not sourced. » Shadowowl | talk 16:05, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. I have seen the Loudwire article and it does not go into any kind of detail about Kidman's life or career, which would be necessary to satisfy notability requirements. Instead, the article says that Kidman was replaced by a cardboard cutout on tour dates during a period of illness. There are statements from the band and from Kidman, but nothing to establish notability beyond being a member of the band. Binksternet ( talk) 16:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. I think more should be (and could be) included about Jens Kidman's life and career. This article shouldn't necessarily be deleted. Sure, there aren't enough referenced bits of news on his page, but that could be easily fixed. More properly referenced articles about Jens could be found if we look a little harder on the internet or on Meshuggah's official website. Mr. Brain ( talk) 03:36, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Keep - Article needs improvements. But from what I can tell the singer is notable per WP:GNG. Also per Mr. Brains rationale. BabbaQ ( talk) 10:45, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Mr. Brain, BabbaQ, could you please show how he is individually notable apart from the band? Richard3120 ( talk) 13:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Meshuggah perhaps? on his own, he does not appear to meet GNG. I found a couple of excerpts via google books, but they were all passing mentions as lead singer of Messhuggah. There was one here of a couple of paragraphs, but it was about his voice/the bands treatment of one particular song. No biographical material at all. There is random stuff around, but it all seems to be youtube interviews, or fan wiki stuff, so not much RS. I am assuming the two above editors werent able to find any either, as they didnt post anything, or add any to the article. Curdle ( talk) 13:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Meshuggah per Curdle. I'm also unable to find anything in independent sources other than trivial mentions specifically related to the band. -- bonadea contributions talk 08:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete : Subject lacks independent notability. Any material worth saving may very well be tranferred over to the band article. Notability is not inherited. It's not passed around band members either. - The Gnome ( talk) 09:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Meshuggah. I specifically rejected the argument to keep which suggested we could find better sources on the band's own website. That's pretty much the definition of not a WP:RS. There's no reason to delete the history; it may be useful for material to merge. Such a merge is clearly not part of the consensus, but not prohibited either. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:13, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Jens Kidman
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Unreliable sources ; All except 1 (the loudwire article) are unreliable. I cannot access the Loudwire article due to GDPR access prevention. Also contains WP:FLOWERY language like famous and unique while those claims are not sourced. » Shadowowl | talk 16:05, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. I have seen the Loudwire article and it does not go into any kind of detail about Kidman's life or career, which would be necessary to satisfy notability requirements. Instead, the article says that Kidman was replaced by a cardboard cutout on tour dates during a period of illness. There are statements from the band and from Kidman, but nothing to establish notability beyond being a member of the band. Binksternet ( talk) 16:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. I think more should be (and could be) included about Jens Kidman's life and career. This article shouldn't necessarily be deleted. Sure, there aren't enough referenced bits of news on his page, but that could be easily fixed. More properly referenced articles about Jens could be found if we look a little harder on the internet or on Meshuggah's official website. Mr. Brain ( talk) 03:36, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 08:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep - Article needs improvements. But from what I can tell the singer is notable per WP:GNG. Also per Mr. Brains rationale. BabbaQ ( talk) 10:45, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Mr. Brain, BabbaQ, could you please show how he is individually notable apart from the band? Richard3120 ( talk) 13:06, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Meshuggah perhaps? on his own, he does not appear to meet GNG. I found a couple of excerpts via google books, but they were all passing mentions as lead singer of Messhuggah. There was one here of a couple of paragraphs, but it was about his voice/the bands treatment of one particular song. No biographical material at all. There is random stuff around, but it all seems to be youtube interviews, or fan wiki stuff, so not much RS. I am assuming the two above editors werent able to find any either, as they didnt post anything, or add any to the article. Curdle ( talk) 13:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
- Redirect to Meshuggah per Curdle. I'm also unable to find anything in independent sources other than trivial mentions specifically related to the band. -- bonadea contributions talk 08:14, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
- Delete : Subject lacks independent notability. Any material worth saving may very well be tranferred over to the band article. Notability is not inherited. It's not passed around band members either. - The Gnome ( talk) 09:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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