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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 04:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Jenna Hutchins
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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NATHLETE. Honours won are local, and as a high school track and field athlete it sounds like this is WP:TOOSOON. FalconK ( talk) 05:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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- This AFD is precipitious. Despite very limited competition due to the coronavirus, Hutchins ran the fastest track time in the world last year in the Under-18 bracket. The next four women on the list, all Japanese, ran in stiff competition which tends to produce faster time. All were a year or more older than Hutchins. Number 6 on the list, was a fraction under 40 seconds slower than her. https://www.worldathletics.org/records/toplists/middle-long/5000-metres/outdoor/women/u18/2020 Her cross country time for 5K was almost ten seconds better than the previous North American high school runners' best, one of many over 1,600 meters held by Katelyn Tuohy, whose 5K track record she also lowered. She's clearly in a class of her own. Activist ( talk) 17:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Probably too soon to be notable, give her a year or two. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As per others, this is too soon. Perhaps later. Springee ( talk) 14:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable athlete. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep When I went to the AFD, it was clear that there wasn't an adequate understanding of the level of this athlete's performances. In a period of a few weeks, she demolished the record of 5K Cross country, and her 5K track record time was extraordinary for numerous reasons. They were set essentially in the absence of competition, remarkable in itself. These sorts of records have historically been recorded in open competition with adult champion racers, sometimes with pacers, to pull the record seekers through the early laps. Before creating the article, I checked the World U-20 championship results for 2016 and 2018 (2020 was canceled) and she would have been a medal contender (top three) in both years with the time she ran, though the top finishers were as much as 3 1/2 years older than she. No Americans in the races were remotely competitive. Though the two national championship high school races were not held due to the coronavirus, she clearly would have outclassed the field. This young woman is the Wilt Chamberlain, LeBron James or Kobe Bryant of high school distance runners. I've created and contributed to articles about distance runners whose performances dated back to the 1930s. Here's the Wikipedia list of NCAA 5K outdoors collegiate national championship times from 1982 through 2017. These featured African and European standouts as well, as much as seven or eight years older than she. Her time would have won 30 of those 35 races, (one just 0.37 seconds faster). It would have won recent Olympics! Because she's an exceptional scholar and volunteer, she is said to train minimally, less than 40 miles a week, NCAA Division I Outdoor Track and Field Championships – Women's 5,000 meter run. Activist ( talk) 09:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Competing at a notable level of the sport (ranked in top 100 last year) and passes general notability with multiple instances of specific, independent coverage of the athlete from Track and Field News and Runner's World (i.e. the biggest global outlets for the sport). For comparison, she ranked above Kim Conley in the 5000 m last year, who was the United States' representative in that event at the 2016 Olympics. This is not a case of too soon, Hutchins is already meeting the definition of world class athlete and garnering the requisite third party coverage that one would expect from a 16-year-old achieving that feat. SFB 23:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, global top 100 is nowhere near good enough to constitute "a notable level of the sport" per WP:SPORTCRIT. Top 25, maybe. If Activist knew track and field well, s/he would have known that Olympic races (and hence the winning times) are often not full-paced. I think Wikipedia:Countering systemic bias doesn't apply here either. Geschichte ( talk) 18:03, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:SIGCOV. USATF website is reliable. Bearian ( talk) 21:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 01:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 01:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete not notable. Megtetg34 ( talk) 00:21, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Setting a United States national junior record and North American continental record as a youth athlete is a rare and notable achievement on its own. USA is not a small time player, there are a lot of notable athletes who were as much as three and a half years older who she bested. Coverage by the major media players of the sport, FloTrack, Milesplit, Runners World, Track and Field News means WP:SIGCOV. World Athletics took note and posted her profile. As Geschichte downplayed the world top 100, he should have noticed that list is so lopsided, only some 14 countries are represented in that 100. Lets also note her time would have placed 15th in the 2016 Olympic final. While making it through the tough American talent pool would be quite a feat, particularly for a youth level athlete, she currently would be on that track in the U.S. Olympic Trials. WP:TOOSOON is definitely not applicable. Trackinfo ( talk) 06:30, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Keep(Striking duplicate !vote. -- MelanieN ( talk) 20:50, 27 January 2021 (UTC)) I should note that two of the "deletes" are by a long-time Wikistalker of mine who has shown virtually no interest in anything but post-1932 American Politics (AP2) articles for fourteen years on Wikipedia, and motor vehicles specifications articles, and by a new editor with no User or Talk page, who has been editing for three days, has nominated numerous articles for deletion and little else and has been cautioned by a veteran editor for such editing. I also added a Sports Illustrated article that singled Hutchins out for her soccer playing and a first and a second place in 3K age-group races when she was 11 years old, when she was running well under six minutes/mile! Activist ( talk) 22:16, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 04:58, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
Jenna Hutchins
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Doesn't appear to meet WP:NATHLETE. Honours won are local, and as a high school track and field athlete it sounds like this is WP:TOOSOON. FalconK ( talk) 05:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. FalconK ( talk) 05:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. FalconK ( talk) 05:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 10:08, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- This AFD is precipitious. Despite very limited competition due to the coronavirus, Hutchins ran the fastest track time in the world last year in the Under-18 bracket. The next four women on the list, all Japanese, ran in stiff competition which tends to produce faster time. All were a year or more older than Hutchins. Number 6 on the list, was a fraction under 40 seconds slower than her. https://www.worldathletics.org/records/toplists/middle-long/5000-metres/outdoor/women/u18/2020 Her cross country time for 5K was almost ten seconds better than the previous North American high school runners' best, one of many over 1,600 meters held by Katelyn Tuohy, whose 5K track record she also lowered. She's clearly in a class of her own. Activist ( talk) 17:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Probably too soon to be notable, give her a year or two. Oaktree b ( talk) 20:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete As per others, this is too soon. Perhaps later. Springee ( talk) 14:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete a non-notable athlete. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep When I went to the AFD, it was clear that there wasn't an adequate understanding of the level of this athlete's performances. In a period of a few weeks, she demolished the record of 5K Cross country, and her 5K track record time was extraordinary for numerous reasons. They were set essentially in the absence of competition, remarkable in itself. These sorts of records have historically been recorded in open competition with adult champion racers, sometimes with pacers, to pull the record seekers through the early laps. Before creating the article, I checked the World U-20 championship results for 2016 and 2018 (2020 was canceled) and she would have been a medal contender (top three) in both years with the time she ran, though the top finishers were as much as 3 1/2 years older than she. No Americans in the races were remotely competitive. Though the two national championship high school races were not held due to the coronavirus, she clearly would have outclassed the field. This young woman is the Wilt Chamberlain, LeBron James or Kobe Bryant of high school distance runners. I've created and contributed to articles about distance runners whose performances dated back to the 1930s. Here's the Wikipedia list of NCAA 5K outdoors collegiate national championship times from 1982 through 2017. These featured African and European standouts as well, as much as seven or eight years older than she. Her time would have won 30 of those 35 races, (one just 0.37 seconds faster). It would have won recent Olympics! Because she's an exceptional scholar and volunteer, she is said to train minimally, less than 40 miles a week, NCAA Division I Outdoor Track and Field Championships – Women's 5,000 meter run. Activist ( talk) 09:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Competing at a notable level of the sport (ranked in top 100 last year) and passes general notability with multiple instances of specific, independent coverage of the athlete from Track and Field News and Runner's World (i.e. the biggest global outlets for the sport). For comparison, she ranked above Kim Conley in the 5000 m last year, who was the United States' representative in that event at the 2016 Olympics. This is not a case of too soon, Hutchins is already meeting the definition of world class athlete and garnering the requisite third party coverage that one would expect from a 16-year-old achieving that feat. SFB 23:14, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, global top 100 is nowhere near good enough to constitute "a notable level of the sport" per WP:SPORTCRIT. Top 25, maybe. If Activist knew track and field well, s/he would have known that Olympic races (and hence the winning times) are often not full-paced. I think Wikipedia:Countering systemic bias doesn't apply here either. Geschichte ( talk) 18:03, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:SIGCOV. USATF website is reliable. Bearian ( talk) 21:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 01:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet ( talk) 01:54, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Delete not notable. Megtetg34 ( talk) 00:21, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Setting a United States national junior record and North American continental record as a youth athlete is a rare and notable achievement on its own. USA is not a small time player, there are a lot of notable athletes who were as much as three and a half years older who she bested. Coverage by the major media players of the sport, FloTrack, Milesplit, Runners World, Track and Field News means WP:SIGCOV. World Athletics took note and posted her profile. As Geschichte downplayed the world top 100, he should have noticed that list is so lopsided, only some 14 countries are represented in that 100. Lets also note her time would have placed 15th in the 2016 Olympic final. While making it through the tough American talent pool would be quite a feat, particularly for a youth level athlete, she currently would be on that track in the U.S. Olympic Trials. WP:TOOSOON is definitely not applicable. Trackinfo ( talk) 06:30, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Keep(Striking duplicate !vote. -- MelanieN ( talk) 20:50, 27 January 2021 (UTC)) I should note that two of the "deletes" are by a long-time Wikistalker of mine who has shown virtually no interest in anything but post-1932 American Politics (AP2) articles for fourteen years on Wikipedia, and motor vehicles specifications articles, and by a new editor with no User or Talk page, who has been editing for three days, has nominated numerous articles for deletion and little else and has been cautioned by a veteran editor for such editing. I also added a Sports Illustrated article that singled Hutchins out for her soccer playing and a first and a second place in 3K age-group races when she was 11 years old, when she was running well under six minutes/mile! Activist ( talk) 22:16, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.