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The result was delete. I'm largely setting aside the drive-by !votes, which do not provide any arguments I can give weight to. There is some support for a merger, but no viable target has been suggested, weakening that argument considerably. Vanamonde ( Talk) 17:01, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Javad Safaei
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Non-notable activist who got arrested but with no indication they are notable because of this, or before this protest event. Citations offered barely mention the subject, some not at all. The closest is this news article which is entirely interview quotation without any actual reporting. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete No need to a discussion for this obscure person. It could have been just
PRODed.
4nn1l2 (
talk)
16:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
4nn1l2: Maybe you best check the article history. The
PROD I proposed was removed just hours ago, so that is why we're at AfD. However, the article title then was referencing the event, not the individual, but it was renamed without change to the content.
Bungle (
talk •
contribs)
16:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I believe it's a case for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, not AfD. 4nn1l2 ( talk) 16:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
4nn1l2: Maybe you best check the article history. The
PROD I proposed was removed just hours ago, so that is why we're at AfD. However, the article title then was referencing the event, not the individual, but it was renamed without change to the content.
Bungle (
talk •
contribs)
16:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete in any case. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 17:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This article should stay, but it should be redone because it tells important cases of the arrest of a person Jamosak ( talk) 04:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge The article has been edited and should be edited with a more correct title. This article can be important. Ali mihandoostam ( talk) 05:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge This article can be important, but it should be moved to another page because the topic of this article is more about the arrest of a person. Tatafof ( talk) 06:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep It can be important with the references it has. 86.55.9.188 ( talk) 06:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
(Redacted)
- Merge This article is a description of an incident (arrest), it should be moved to a page with a different name. 5.210.45.111 ( talk) 06:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or Merge The article is relatively important, it can be useful and it can be completed later, but in my opinion, it should be linked to another page because the subject of this article refers directly to an arrest incident, so it should be moved to another page with a different name, for example: The arrest of Javad Safaei) is just one example. 5.52.135.2 ( talk) 08:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- ( Personal attack removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.18.116.131 ( talk) 11:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
(Redacted)
- Merge Per WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS, the notability of this individual is unclear an evolving, though there do seem to be several news reports that might justify merging with, eg. the list of the detainees or the Main article. Please ping me if there is any new information. Jtrrs0 ( talk) 12:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Jtrrs0: Through my search, I was able to find out that this person was really a member of the "Iranian Youth Culture and Art Commission", and
Jam Jam newspaper physically confirmed and published this person in the newspaper on
9/23/1400(Solar date is not Gregorian.).
Jamosak (
talk)
13:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ Jamosak: Thank you for the information. Thank you also for the source, I can't read it, but I'll happily take you at your word that it says what you say. The thing is, when considering my opinion, I did take into account that he was a member of the commission. This is not enough on its own and it adds little to establish the necessary notoriety. Under WP:POLITICIAN his office would need to be more significant than what looks to me to be a quango and a relatively minor one at that. My view is unchanged. Jtrrs0 ( talk) 14:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Jtrrs0: Through my search, I was able to find out that this person was really a member of the "Iranian Youth Culture and Art Commission", and
Jam Jam newspaper physically confirmed and published this person in the newspaper on
9/23/1400(Solar date is not Gregorian.).
Jamosak (
talk)
13:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge It seems that this article could be important because it is about a political activist and also a person who is now arrested by the Iranian government, I also checked the sources, 4 of the sources are correct, I could not understand the rest of the sources, but some English news agencies Like Forbes has endorsed him, this is my opinion and I am unbiased. Azadizan ( talk) 20:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic.
Bungle (
talk •
contribs)
21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, an administrator looking at this will not at all think it suspicious that since this was protected to auto confirmed needed, you make 11 meaningless edits before then editing straight into this AfD, 15mins after your first registered edit. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ BungleI feel that you have received money for removing this article, because I checked your discussion page and many people have congratulated you from the Iranian government, and you are persistent in removing this article, in my opinion, for Decisions about this article should be made by others, please do not abuse your power, because this is against the rules of Wikipedia. If you receive a fee for creating or deleting an article, say it publicly, thank you. Azadizan ( talk) 07:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Comment, I think it's really clear that this AfD has been over-run with WP:SPAs and therefore, especially based on the edit history, the weight carried will be negligible. An WP:SPI may well be in order here. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: The name of this article has been misspelled, the real name of this person is (Javad Safaee), it may be a typographical error. Azadizan ( talk) 07:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable enough, if there's an expansion or the creation of an article that covers people who died during protests then it should be merged. Dr vulpes ( 💬 • 📝) 01:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. I'm largely setting aside the drive-by !votes, which do not provide any arguments I can give weight to. There is some support for a merger, but no viable target has been suggested, weakening that argument considerably. Vanamonde ( Talk) 17:01, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Javad Safaei
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Non-notable activist who got arrested but with no indication they are notable because of this, or before this protest event. Citations offered barely mention the subject, some not at all. The closest is this news article which is entirely interview quotation without any actual reporting. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to assume good faith on the part of others and to sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end. Note: Comments may be tagged as follows: suspected single-purpose accounts:{{subst:
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csp|username}}. |
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 15:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete No need to a discussion for this obscure person. It could have been just
PRODed.
4nn1l2 (
talk)
16:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
4nn1l2: Maybe you best check the article history. The
PROD I proposed was removed just hours ago, so that is why we're at AfD. However, the article title then was referencing the event, not the individual, but it was renamed without change to the content.
Bungle (
talk •
contribs)
16:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I believe it's a case for Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, not AfD. 4nn1l2 ( talk) 16:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
4nn1l2: Maybe you best check the article history. The
PROD I proposed was removed just hours ago, so that is why we're at AfD. However, the article title then was referencing the event, not the individual, but it was renamed without change to the content.
Bungle (
talk •
contribs)
16:17, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete in any case. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 17:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep This article should stay, but it should be redone because it tells important cases of the arrest of a person Jamosak ( talk) 04:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge The article has been edited and should be edited with a more correct title. This article can be important. Ali mihandoostam ( talk) 05:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge This article can be important, but it should be moved to another page because the topic of this article is more about the arrest of a person. Tatafof ( talk) 06:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep It can be important with the references it has. 86.55.9.188 ( talk) 06:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
(Redacted)
- Merge This article is a description of an incident (arrest), it should be moved to a page with a different name. 5.210.45.111 ( talk) 06:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep or Merge The article is relatively important, it can be useful and it can be completed later, but in my opinion, it should be linked to another page because the subject of this article refers directly to an arrest incident, so it should be moved to another page with a different name, for example: The arrest of Javad Safaei) is just one example. 5.52.135.2 ( talk) 08:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- ( Personal attack removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.18.116.131 ( talk) 11:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
(Redacted)
- Merge Per WP:ONEEVENT and WP:NOTNEWS, the notability of this individual is unclear an evolving, though there do seem to be several news reports that might justify merging with, eg. the list of the detainees or the Main article. Please ping me if there is any new information. Jtrrs0 ( talk) 12:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Jtrrs0: Through my search, I was able to find out that this person was really a member of the "Iranian Youth Culture and Art Commission", and
Jam Jam newspaper physically confirmed and published this person in the newspaper on
9/23/1400(Solar date is not Gregorian.).
Jamosak (
talk)
13:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ Jamosak: Thank you for the information. Thank you also for the source, I can't read it, but I'll happily take you at your word that it says what you say. The thing is, when considering my opinion, I did take into account that he was a member of the commission. This is not enough on its own and it adds little to establish the necessary notoriety. Under WP:POLITICIAN his office would need to be more significant than what looks to me to be a quango and a relatively minor one at that. My view is unchanged. Jtrrs0 ( talk) 14:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @
Jtrrs0: Through my search, I was able to find out that this person was really a member of the "Iranian Youth Culture and Art Commission", and
Jam Jam newspaper physically confirmed and published this person in the newspaper on
9/23/1400(Solar date is not Gregorian.).
Jamosak (
talk)
13:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge It seems that this article could be important because it is about a political activist and also a person who is now arrested by the Iranian government, I also checked the sources, 4 of the sources are correct, I could not understand the rest of the sources, but some English news agencies Like Forbes has endorsed him, this is my opinion and I am unbiased. Azadizan ( talk) 20:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- This editor has made no or few edits outside of this topic.
Bungle (
talk •
contribs)
21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, an administrator looking at this will not at all think it suspicious that since this was protected to auto confirmed needed, you make 11 meaningless edits before then editing straight into this AfD, 15mins after your first registered edit. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ BungleI feel that you have received money for removing this article, because I checked your discussion page and many people have congratulated you from the Iranian government, and you are persistent in removing this article, in my opinion, for Decisions about this article should be made by others, please do not abuse your power, because this is against the rules of Wikipedia. If you receive a fee for creating or deleting an article, say it publicly, thank you. Azadizan ( talk) 07:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Comment, I think it's really clear that this AfD has been over-run with WP:SPAs and therefore, especially based on the edit history, the weight carried will be negligible. An WP:SPI may well be in order here. Bungle ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: The name of this article has been misspelled, the real name of this person is (Javad Safaee), it may be a typographical error. Azadizan ( talk) 07:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Not notable enough, if there's an expansion or the creation of an article that covers people who died during protests then it should be merged. Dr vulpes ( 💬 • 📝) 01:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.