The result was Speedy Delete. I have no doubt that I'm asking for an ass-kicking here, but this entire article reeks of self-promotional material if it actually exists, or a hoax if it doesn't (which... makes a lot of sense). There's absolutely no reason to let this farce of an AfD continue; a handful of people (possibly even one) are the ones campaigning for its continued existence, and the strongest piece of evidence (the scanned newspaper article) is one of the most heavily photoshopped images I've ever seen. Between suspect sockpuppets, a dubious level of notability, and an unreliable primary source, I don't feel that this article should be on Wikipedia. If this is a real religion (seems to be a bit of a debate about that, but that's neither here nor there), an article can be written at a later date at such a time as the movement is actually notable. That time is not now. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Looks like pure original research and possibly something made up in a library. Also NN, "Janicism religion" garners 11 ghits. Speedied as nonsense, recreated, contested Tubezone 10:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Janicism is a factual article. All things start off small, and Janicism wont expand suddenly overnight. The fact is, Janicism is a real religion. There are people who follow it, and therefore I maintain they have a right to have it documented on Wikipedia, which is why I wrote the article (which has since been expanded by a fellow practicing Janicist, showing it is not false.) I strongly believe that this article should be upheld in the public view. Mlc409 10:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC) — Mlc409 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Janicism is a real religion, but these things cannot simply turn up overnight. We have slowly been expanding our religion over many months, and have decided to write an article to try to reach out to more people. Janicism is definitely not made up, as some of its views are documented in books - see "Mort" by Terry Pratchett, as seen in the article. Do not delete. Ichbinbored 10:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC) — Ichbinbored ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
i think this is real, i've heard about it before. 80.47.56.21 10:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC) — 80.47.56.21 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
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Janicism is slowly gaining popularity, and its beliefs can be seen in everyday life - just look around you. Now is it undocumented? I think not. Ichbinbored 10:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply
DO NOT DELETE There is proof. There are verifiable sources. I have found this link here [2]. I am also in the process of scanning a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE documenting janicism. Please be patient. mlc409
That is just a blog entry about one of our festivals, its an example. So what if its not reliable, its a source. And someone set up a page ages ago here that was supposed to talk about the religion, but I think she gave it up a bit later. Ichbinbored 11:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Can I ask what you would consider to be proof? Every source we find you manage to establish a way of making it illegitimate. Even if it's not. Annoying. If we didn't feel so strongly about our beliefs then we would probably give up as we feel very much ganged up against. The fact is this: JANICISM EXISTS. Regardless of how many people follow it. We follow it. We believe in it. Therefore it should be documented on Wikipedia. This is how I see it. mlc409 — user:mlc409 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Afraid not, worshipping your cat is quite different from an article on a religion. I should clarify that the ichbinbored name is one used by the user generically. It really has no relevance to this discussion over the Janicism article. Discussing/attacking the character of the editor is not really acceptable. It is the suitability of the Janicism article for wikipedia in discussion here. mlc409 — user:mlc409 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
This is off the subject a bit, but I find it quite offensive that you can insult my name like this. Try searching for "ichbinbored" on Google and you will see that I receive 9 out of the 10 results on the first page. Ichbinbored is simply a slogan, it is in no way supposed to be a literal translation. NOT DELETE. Ichbinbored 15:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Do not Delete: this is actully really rather intersting to me, having read the artical, and read the discustion so far, I do not have any connections myself with Janicism, but you are asking for evidence of its existance, and you are expecting that a small manority religon (if it exists or not, I am not here to debate) will be able to come up with links from places like the bbc or something, but it isn't really going to happen is it? interstingly you have not found any infomation to prove that janicism does not exist, maybe you should try and do that, although I do understand that acording to wikipedia you don't have to, but it would be nice to see some evidence against it. also a while ago, i alerted an Admin about a poor quality artical and he E-mailed me back saying "as long as infomation is factul and is not biased, it is allowed on wikipedia" there can be no question that it is not biased, and as for whether or not it is factul, does remain to be seen, but wikipedia is meant to be a place to share infomation, and fit more infomation than you could on paper, so I say keep it, and spread the infomation about this religion, and its time for a lot of you to grow up, stop empowering yourselfs from your keyboard, and get off your high horses, and just accept it as infomation and move on. -- GDMCR — GDMCR ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at UTC timestamp [optional] (UTC).
Janicism is definately a real religion. Many of my friends have recently joined the religion and have tried to persuade me to join aswell but i am a strong christian so i declined their offers. 82.26.33.76 11:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC) — 82.26.33.76 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
I can guarantee you that no photoshopped articles appear on the Janicism page. Mlc409 12:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply
When will you people learn to READ??? PHOTOSHOP WAS NOT USED TO CREATE A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. I can't think of a more simple way to put it. mlc409
Don't be ridiculous Patstuart. All this means is that I wasn't signed in at the time. My computer signs me out sometimes automatically. It happens, and it doesn't mean I am attempting to deceive people. What I WILL say though, is that I don't have a second username. So lets leave of the detective work and just discuss the actual article shall we? That's what this page is for mlc409 19:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Thank you for pointing that out - I already knew that, which is one of the reasons I haven't being engaging in such actions. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, SHALL WE CONCENTRATE ON DISCUSSING THE ARTICLE INSTEAD OF PERSONALLY ATTACKING ME?? Mlc409 20:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply
And what is Google? Is it the be all and end all of the WORLD? I know it's offensive for Wikipedia to have original content but I guess it happens Mlc409 21:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete - I searched over 14 academic databases, and did not get a single hit. Keesiewonder 00:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete Obviously a hoax. -- Das0408 01:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Speedy Delete. I have no doubt that I'm asking for an ass-kicking here, but this entire article reeks of self-promotional material if it actually exists, or a hoax if it doesn't (which... makes a lot of sense). There's absolutely no reason to let this farce of an AfD continue; a handful of people (possibly even one) are the ones campaigning for its continued existence, and the strongest piece of evidence (the scanned newspaper article) is one of the most heavily photoshopped images I've ever seen. Between suspect sockpuppets, a dubious level of notability, and an unreliable primary source, I don't feel that this article should be on Wikipedia. If this is a real religion (seems to be a bit of a debate about that, but that's neither here nor there), an article can be written at a later date at such a time as the movement is actually notable. That time is not now. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC) reply
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Looks like pure original research and possibly something made up in a library. Also NN, "Janicism religion" garners 11 ghits. Speedied as nonsense, recreated, contested Tubezone 10:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Janicism is a factual article. All things start off small, and Janicism wont expand suddenly overnight. The fact is, Janicism is a real religion. There are people who follow it, and therefore I maintain they have a right to have it documented on Wikipedia, which is why I wrote the article (which has since been expanded by a fellow practicing Janicist, showing it is not false.) I strongly believe that this article should be upheld in the public view. Mlc409 10:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC) — Mlc409 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Janicism is a real religion, but these things cannot simply turn up overnight. We have slowly been expanding our religion over many months, and have decided to write an article to try to reach out to more people. Janicism is definitely not made up, as some of its views are documented in books - see "Mort" by Terry Pratchett, as seen in the article. Do not delete. Ichbinbored 10:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC) — Ichbinbored ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
i think this is real, i've heard about it before. 80.47.56.21 10:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC) — 80.47.56.21 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
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Janicism is slowly gaining popularity, and its beliefs can be seen in everyday life - just look around you. Now is it undocumented? I think not. Ichbinbored 10:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply
DO NOT DELETE There is proof. There are verifiable sources. I have found this link here [2]. I am also in the process of scanning a NEWSPAPER ARTICLE documenting janicism. Please be patient. mlc409
That is just a blog entry about one of our festivals, its an example. So what if its not reliable, its a source. And someone set up a page ages ago here that was supposed to talk about the religion, but I think she gave it up a bit later. Ichbinbored 11:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Can I ask what you would consider to be proof? Every source we find you manage to establish a way of making it illegitimate. Even if it's not. Annoying. If we didn't feel so strongly about our beliefs then we would probably give up as we feel very much ganged up against. The fact is this: JANICISM EXISTS. Regardless of how many people follow it. We follow it. We believe in it. Therefore it should be documented on Wikipedia. This is how I see it. mlc409 — user:mlc409 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Afraid not, worshipping your cat is quite different from an article on a religion. I should clarify that the ichbinbored name is one used by the user generically. It really has no relevance to this discussion over the Janicism article. Discussing/attacking the character of the editor is not really acceptable. It is the suitability of the Janicism article for wikipedia in discussion here. mlc409 — user:mlc409 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
This is off the subject a bit, but I find it quite offensive that you can insult my name like this. Try searching for "ichbinbored" on Google and you will see that I receive 9 out of the 10 results on the first page. Ichbinbored is simply a slogan, it is in no way supposed to be a literal translation. NOT DELETE. Ichbinbored 15:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Do not Delete: this is actully really rather intersting to me, having read the artical, and read the discustion so far, I do not have any connections myself with Janicism, but you are asking for evidence of its existance, and you are expecting that a small manority religon (if it exists or not, I am not here to debate) will be able to come up with links from places like the bbc or something, but it isn't really going to happen is it? interstingly you have not found any infomation to prove that janicism does not exist, maybe you should try and do that, although I do understand that acording to wikipedia you don't have to, but it would be nice to see some evidence against it. also a while ago, i alerted an Admin about a poor quality artical and he E-mailed me back saying "as long as infomation is factul and is not biased, it is allowed on wikipedia" there can be no question that it is not biased, and as for whether or not it is factul, does remain to be seen, but wikipedia is meant to be a place to share infomation, and fit more infomation than you could on paper, so I say keep it, and spread the infomation about this religion, and its time for a lot of you to grow up, stop empowering yourselfs from your keyboard, and get off your high horses, and just accept it as infomation and move on. -- GDMCR — GDMCR ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at UTC timestamp [optional] (UTC).
Janicism is definately a real religion. Many of my friends have recently joined the religion and have tried to persuade me to join aswell but i am a strong christian so i declined their offers. 82.26.33.76 11:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC) — 82.26.33.76 ( talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
I can guarantee you that no photoshopped articles appear on the Janicism page. Mlc409 12:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply
When will you people learn to READ??? PHOTOSHOP WAS NOT USED TO CREATE A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE. I can't think of a more simple way to put it. mlc409
Don't be ridiculous Patstuart. All this means is that I wasn't signed in at the time. My computer signs me out sometimes automatically. It happens, and it doesn't mean I am attempting to deceive people. What I WILL say though, is that I don't have a second username. So lets leave of the detective work and just discuss the actual article shall we? That's what this page is for mlc409 19:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Thank you for pointing that out - I already knew that, which is one of the reasons I haven't being engaging in such actions. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, SHALL WE CONCENTRATE ON DISCUSSING THE ARTICLE INSTEAD OF PERSONALLY ATTACKING ME?? Mlc409 20:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply
And what is Google? Is it the be all and end all of the WORLD? I know it's offensive for Wikipedia to have original content but I guess it happens Mlc409 21:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete - I searched over 14 academic databases, and did not get a single hit. Keesiewonder 00:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC) reply
Delete Obviously a hoax. -- Das0408 01:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC) reply