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The result was delete. I find 4meter4's rationale the most persuasive from a policy standpoint. Daniel ( talk) 22:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
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Fails WP:MUSICBIO, almost all the sources are WP:PRIMARY Xclusivzik ( talk) 21:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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I strongly oppose deletion for the Jahan Nostra page.
First of all, I edited the page, so if you look at the sources, the majority of the sources are NOT primary sources. Some Artist pages on Wikipedia do cite their music references with links to primary sources OR they do not even cite the music releases at all, so I feel that Jahan Nostra is being unfairly targeted. In all cases, additional citations from other sources have been added if you look through the references section. There are links to articles in Hip Hop DX, Huff Post, Soul Bounce, Underground Hip Hop Blog and others.
Jahan Nostra collaborated with several noteworthy artists, including Smif-N-Wessun, Tone Trump, Omar Wilson, Ceschi and Hakim Green of Channel Live. Also, the Grammy Award Winning Engineer, Daddy Kev mastered Jahan Nostra’s album, ESP (2016).
Jahan Nostra received several awards and nominations from reputable festivals, including the Hip Hop Film Festival, Golden Door Film Festival, Newark International Film Festival and more. All of those awards are listed on his IMDb page and all Award and nominations on IMDB MUST be approved by each film festival before they can appear on IMDb. In 2019, Jahan Nostra won the Best Music Video Award at the Golden Door Film Festival, and the music videos are judged by Grammy Award Winning Producer Jerry “Duplessis” Wonda. The Golden Door Film Festival was founded by Bill Sorvino, nephew of Paul Sorvino and Academy Award-Winning Actress Mira Sorvino sits on the board. In 2019, Jahan Nostra received a Best Music Video Nomination at the Newark International Film Festival (Newark IFF), and at the exact same awards Mack Wilds also attended the ceremony and he accepted the Best Actor Award. In addition, the film “About The People” also won an award at Newark IFF 2019 and that film starred the late Michael K. Williams who also Executive Produced the film. Larenz Tate, Lahmard Tate and Laron Tate attended the 2019 Newark International Film Festival where they screened their film “Business Ethics” and they also won an award, which Laron and Lahmard accepted in person. (Larenz attended Newark IFF 2019 in person, but he didn’t make it to the awards ceremony because the awards fell on his birthday). In addition, Jahan Nostra won Best Music Video at the Hip Hop Film Festival in 2019, and that event featured appearances by Dapper Dan, Khalil Kain, and Academy Award Winning Producer Bruce Cohen among others. These festivals are not giving out awards to just anyone. This is why Jahan Nostra is definitely noteworthy for winning so many awards at these reputable and established events.
In addition, Jahan Nostra is currently promoting a new video called “Dedication” (unreleased), which features REKS Rhythmatic Eternal King Supreme and Tahmell (son of Rakim). The project “Dedication” was an Official Selections at the 2021 Hip Hop Film Festival, 2021 Golden Door Film Festival and the Newark International Film Festival. ("Dedication" is not yet in the media because its not out yet, but once "Dedication" is released its going to be all over the media.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eileen Fine ( talk • contribs)
- Keep Notable singer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.180.71 ( talk) 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is refbombed to hell with primary sources and IMDb links. Despite this, the subject does not have enough references in reliable sources to demonstrate notability. If someone can demonstrate otherwise, I will change my !vote. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 21:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - The article is indeed ref-bombed to a lot of primary sources, with an undertone of desperation, but if you wade through the garbage the rapper does have coverage in a few reliable sources, such as
[1],
[2],
[3] which are already cited in the article. However I can find nothing reliable for all the awards and nominations, with only IMDB showing anything. This article needs some cleanup and possibly
TNT but the rapper may have enough coverage for a basic stub article. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
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13:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Doomsdayer520: That HuffPo piece is a Huffington Post Contributors piece, which does not contribute towards notability and is generally considered to be self-published. It should be removed from this biography of a living person, as SPS are never OK to use in a BLP except in an WP:ABOUTSELF manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikehawk10 ( talk • contribs) 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- No argument there, but that is only one of the three sources I mentioned. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:MUSICBIO. Only two of the sources in the article provide in-depth independent and significant coverage; the Huffington Post article and the ctpost article provided by Doomsdayer520. The hiphopdx.com is so perfunctory that I would not consider it in-depth coverage. Per WP:THREE, there is simply not enough coverage here to justify keeping the article. Further, the article is so full of ref bombing and puffery that a WP:TNT argument is warranted in this case even if we can find a third piece of RS to pass GNG/MUSICBIO. 4meter4 ( talk) 22:21, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:08, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Ref-bombed with primary sources and appears to be under the threshold for notability enumerated in WP:MUSICBIO. Even if he were notable, the article needs WP:TNT. — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 04:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. I find 4meter4's rationale the most persuasive from a policy standpoint. Daniel ( talk) 22:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
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Fails WP:MUSICBIO, almost all the sources are WP:PRIMARY Xclusivzik ( talk) 21:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 22:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Connecticut-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 22:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
I strongly oppose deletion for the Jahan Nostra page.
First of all, I edited the page, so if you look at the sources, the majority of the sources are NOT primary sources. Some Artist pages on Wikipedia do cite their music references with links to primary sources OR they do not even cite the music releases at all, so I feel that Jahan Nostra is being unfairly targeted. In all cases, additional citations from other sources have been added if you look through the references section. There are links to articles in Hip Hop DX, Huff Post, Soul Bounce, Underground Hip Hop Blog and others.
Jahan Nostra collaborated with several noteworthy artists, including Smif-N-Wessun, Tone Trump, Omar Wilson, Ceschi and Hakim Green of Channel Live. Also, the Grammy Award Winning Engineer, Daddy Kev mastered Jahan Nostra’s album, ESP (2016).
Jahan Nostra received several awards and nominations from reputable festivals, including the Hip Hop Film Festival, Golden Door Film Festival, Newark International Film Festival and more. All of those awards are listed on his IMDb page and all Award and nominations on IMDB MUST be approved by each film festival before they can appear on IMDb. In 2019, Jahan Nostra won the Best Music Video Award at the Golden Door Film Festival, and the music videos are judged by Grammy Award Winning Producer Jerry “Duplessis” Wonda. The Golden Door Film Festival was founded by Bill Sorvino, nephew of Paul Sorvino and Academy Award-Winning Actress Mira Sorvino sits on the board. In 2019, Jahan Nostra received a Best Music Video Nomination at the Newark International Film Festival (Newark IFF), and at the exact same awards Mack Wilds also attended the ceremony and he accepted the Best Actor Award. In addition, the film “About The People” also won an award at Newark IFF 2019 and that film starred the late Michael K. Williams who also Executive Produced the film. Larenz Tate, Lahmard Tate and Laron Tate attended the 2019 Newark International Film Festival where they screened their film “Business Ethics” and they also won an award, which Laron and Lahmard accepted in person. (Larenz attended Newark IFF 2019 in person, but he didn’t make it to the awards ceremony because the awards fell on his birthday). In addition, Jahan Nostra won Best Music Video at the Hip Hop Film Festival in 2019, and that event featured appearances by Dapper Dan, Khalil Kain, and Academy Award Winning Producer Bruce Cohen among others. These festivals are not giving out awards to just anyone. This is why Jahan Nostra is definitely noteworthy for winning so many awards at these reputable and established events.
In addition, Jahan Nostra is currently promoting a new video called “Dedication” (unreleased), which features REKS Rhythmatic Eternal King Supreme and Tahmell (son of Rakim). The project “Dedication” was an Official Selections at the 2021 Hip Hop Film Festival, 2021 Golden Door Film Festival and the Newark International Film Festival. ("Dedication" is not yet in the media because its not out yet, but once "Dedication" is released its going to be all over the media.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eileen Fine ( talk • contribs)
- Keep Notable singer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.180.71 ( talk) 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is refbombed to hell with primary sources and IMDb links. Despite this, the subject does not have enough references in reliable sources to demonstrate notability. If someone can demonstrate otherwise, I will change my !vote. Trainsandotherthings ( talk) 21:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - The article is indeed ref-bombed to a lot of primary sources, with an undertone of desperation, but if you wade through the garbage the rapper does have coverage in a few reliable sources, such as
[1],
[2],
[3] which are already cited in the article. However I can find nothing reliable for all the awards and nominations, with only IMDB showing anything. This article needs some cleanup and possibly
TNT but the rapper may have enough coverage for a basic stub article. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
13:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Doomsdayer520: That HuffPo piece is a Huffington Post Contributors piece, which does not contribute towards notability and is generally considered to be self-published. It should be removed from this biography of a living person, as SPS are never OK to use in a BLP except in an WP:ABOUTSELF manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikehawk10 ( talk • contribs) 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- No argument there, but that is only one of the three sources I mentioned. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 17:32, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:MUSICBIO. Only two of the sources in the article provide in-depth independent and significant coverage; the Huffington Post article and the ctpost article provided by Doomsdayer520. The hiphopdx.com is so perfunctory that I would not consider it in-depth coverage. Per WP:THREE, there is simply not enough coverage here to justify keeping the article. Further, the article is so full of ref bombing and puffery that a WP:TNT argument is warranted in this case even if we can find a third piece of RS to pass GNG/MUSICBIO. 4meter4 ( talk) 22:21, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:08, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Ref-bombed with primary sources and appears to be under the threshold for notability enumerated in WP:MUSICBIO. Even if he were notable, the article needs WP:TNT. — Mikehawk10 ( talk) 04:47, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.