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The result was keep. In my closing, I ignored the !vote by Bluesangrel, which is not policy-based. Randykitty ( talk) 11:22, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Jabs Newby
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No evidence of meeting WP:ATHLETE or WP:GNG. Played for a small division 3 school in college and the NBL is semi-professional and not listed in WP:NBASKETBALL for automatic notability. A search for sources turns up with WP:ROUTINE coverage or coverage from non-independent league sources or other localized sources. Pokerkiller ( talk) 23:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Keep I believe the National Basketball League of Canada is classified as a fully professional league, and it is quite popular in many of its teams' cities, especially London and Windsor. Several former NBA players have competed there, as seen in this article, and far more have made significant impacts on major NCAA Division I basketball teams. Newby played at the D-I program at Eastern Kentucky and was one of the top picks in the 2014 NBL Canada draft. This article is currently a stub and non-routine coverage, like this feature article, could easily be found with some expansion. I also feel like some of the guidelines on WP:NBASKETBALL are flawed, especially #3, which involves the Continental Basketball Association (CBA). TempleM ( talk) 23:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- See my reply to Editorofthewiki below .One source doesn't indicate notability. Pokerkiller ( talk) 16:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with keeping the guy. The Canadian league is, indeed, a fully professional basketball and it's been since it's foundation, it's a league in a growing process, the player is young and can progress in his career. Intruder007 ( talk) 03:49, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Can you give a policy based reason for keeping the article?
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Closing administrator note, Intruder007 was canvassed in his talk page in order to participate in the AFD.
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Eh, I'd just stay away from the canvassing accusations and let the AfD stand or fall on its own merits. It's one editor and you could make the case he/she meets the requirements of Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification. Rikster2 ( talk) 18:44, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Closing administrator note, Intruder007 was canvassed in his talk page in order to participate in the AFD.
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - it doesn't matter if NBL Canada is a "fully professional league," that's not how WP:NBASKETBALL works (that's the wording of WP:FOOTY). NBL Canada is not a league that assumes notability, the player needs to meet WP:GNG. I haven't had a chance to look into GNG for this player, but will do so and make a vote. I can tell you that the article is going to require more independent reliable sources than it has today. Rikster2 ( talk) 13:13, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The nominator's claims aren't credible: Newby began his collegiate career in Division I and never played in Division III. The NBL is a fully professional league, not semi-professional. In addition to the source TempleM listed, I found
this,
this,
this and
this to establish he meets GNG. ~
EDDY (
talk/
contribs)~ 14:07, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Division II not Division III my mistake, but still the four sources you listed are
Wp:Routine coverage that mentions Newby in a passing content, all four of the sources are either one sentence (or in the fourth source two sentences) mentions regarding a transaction or a all-rookie mention. You should know better that none of these four sources count towards
WP:GNG. Only the source TempleM, who is the article creator, mentions counts towards GNG, and it's rather weak as a human interest story from the very local newspaper. One source doesn't meet GNG, multiple sources does, give me more proof of significant coverage and I'll withdraw my vote, but until then he don't meet our guidelines.
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I certainly wouldn't qualify the third as being routine since it details the trade, how the team planned to use Newby, etc. the fourth I guess you could arge to be trivial. I have also found this Italian source which concers Newby and I wouldnt consider to be trivial. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 20:11, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- The Italian source is also a passing mention
Pokerkiller (
talk) 20:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I am not sure if you would consider this a "passing mention," but
Yahoo! Sports has a few paragraphs on Newby's name in
this article.
TempleM (
talk) 20:38, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- College basketball's 10 most interesting names? I wouldn't put that as significant coverage, or even a reliable source despite coming from Yahoo. Pokerkiller ( talk) 20:43, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I am not sure if you would consider this a "passing mention," but
Yahoo! Sports has a few paragraphs on Newby's name in
this article.
TempleM (
talk) 20:38, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Division II not Division III my mistake, but still the four sources you listed are
Wp:Routine coverage that mentions Newby in a passing content, all four of the sources are either one sentence (or in the fourth source two sentences) mentions regarding a transaction or a all-rookie mention. You should know better that none of these four sources count towards
WP:GNG. Only the source TempleM, who is the article creator, mentions counts towards GNG, and it's rather weak as a human interest story from the very local newspaper. One source doesn't meet GNG, multiple sources does, give me more proof of significant coverage and I'll withdraw my vote, but until then he don't meet our guidelines.
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Toffanin ( talk) 17:39, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Weak delete There's no use going into the WP:NBASKETBALL debate because all articles need to pass GNG anyway, its a guideline that assumes (often wrongly in my eyes) a player from a certain league receives sufficient coverage to make him notable, it doesn't confer notability by itself. There are a few sources, some in depth (I wouldn't be confortable with the Italian source being used, its a fan website, not a reliable source) but I would like to see a few more in depth articles before being convinced. I did a quick search and didn't find more that what was given, though my knowledge of Canadian newspapers is nearly bare. If its not possible to find decent coverage of a player who has been based in two-English speaking (and basketball-following) nations than he's not notable enough. -- ArmstrongJulian ( talk) 21:32, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- @ ArmstrongJulian: Here are some reliable sources that aren't included in the article yet: [1], [2], [3]. TempleM ( talk) 22:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95 Talk 15:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95 Talk 15:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- Keep None of this personal opinion nonsense. Enough with that. If he plays in a fully pro league, he meets the standard and deleted the article is a violation of site etiquette and just trying to destroy other editor's work for no reason. Bluesangrel ( talk) 18:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. In my closing, I ignored the !vote by Bluesangrel, which is not policy-based. Randykitty ( talk) 11:22, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Jabs Newby
- Jabs Newby ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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No evidence of meeting WP:ATHLETE or WP:GNG. Played for a small division 3 school in college and the NBL is semi-professional and not listed in WP:NBASKETBALL for automatic notability. A search for sources turns up with WP:ROUTINE coverage or coverage from non-independent league sources or other localized sources. Pokerkiller ( talk) 23:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Keep I believe the National Basketball League of Canada is classified as a fully professional league, and it is quite popular in many of its teams' cities, especially London and Windsor. Several former NBA players have competed there, as seen in this article, and far more have made significant impacts on major NCAA Division I basketball teams. Newby played at the D-I program at Eastern Kentucky and was one of the top picks in the 2014 NBL Canada draft. This article is currently a stub and non-routine coverage, like this feature article, could easily be found with some expansion. I also feel like some of the guidelines on WP:NBASKETBALL are flawed, especially #3, which involves the Continental Basketball Association (CBA). TempleM ( talk) 23:46, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- See my reply to Editorofthewiki below .One source doesn't indicate notability. Pokerkiller ( talk) 16:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with keeping the guy. The Canadian league is, indeed, a fully professional basketball and it's been since it's foundation, it's a league in a growing process, the player is young and can progress in his career. Intruder007 ( talk) 03:49, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Can you give a policy based reason for keeping the article?
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Closing administrator note, Intruder007 was canvassed in his talk page in order to participate in the AFD.
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Eh, I'd just stay away from the canvassing accusations and let the AfD stand or fall on its own merits. It's one editor and you could make the case he/she meets the requirements of Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification. Rikster2 ( talk) 18:44, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Closing administrator note, Intruder007 was canvassed in his talk page in order to participate in the AFD.
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:51, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - it doesn't matter if NBL Canada is a "fully professional league," that's not how WP:NBASKETBALL works (that's the wording of WP:FOOTY). NBL Canada is not a league that assumes notability, the player needs to meet WP:GNG. I haven't had a chance to look into GNG for this player, but will do so and make a vote. I can tell you that the article is going to require more independent reliable sources than it has today. Rikster2 ( talk) 13:13, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Keep The nominator's claims aren't credible: Newby began his collegiate career in Division I and never played in Division III. The NBL is a fully professional league, not semi-professional. In addition to the source TempleM listed, I found
this,
this,
this and
this to establish he meets GNG. ~
EDDY (
talk/
contribs)~ 14:07, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Division II not Division III my mistake, but still the four sources you listed are
Wp:Routine coverage that mentions Newby in a passing content, all four of the sources are either one sentence (or in the fourth source two sentences) mentions regarding a transaction or a all-rookie mention. You should know better that none of these four sources count towards
WP:GNG. Only the source TempleM, who is the article creator, mentions counts towards GNG, and it's rather weak as a human interest story from the very local newspaper. One source doesn't meet GNG, multiple sources does, give me more proof of significant coverage and I'll withdraw my vote, but until then he don't meet our guidelines.
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I certainly wouldn't qualify the third as being routine since it details the trade, how the team planned to use Newby, etc. the fourth I guess you could arge to be trivial. I have also found this Italian source which concers Newby and I wouldnt consider to be trivial. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 20:11, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- The Italian source is also a passing mention
Pokerkiller (
talk) 20:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I am not sure if you would consider this a "passing mention," but
Yahoo! Sports has a few paragraphs on Newby's name in
this article.
TempleM (
talk) 20:38, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- College basketball's 10 most interesting names? I wouldn't put that as significant coverage, or even a reliable source despite coming from Yahoo. Pokerkiller ( talk) 20:43, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- I am not sure if you would consider this a "passing mention," but
Yahoo! Sports has a few paragraphs on Newby's name in
this article.
TempleM (
talk) 20:38, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Division II not Division III my mistake, but still the four sources you listed are
Wp:Routine coverage that mentions Newby in a passing content, all four of the sources are either one sentence (or in the fourth source two sentences) mentions regarding a transaction or a all-rookie mention. You should know better that none of these four sources count towards
WP:GNG. Only the source TempleM, who is the article creator, mentions counts towards GNG, and it's rather weak as a human interest story from the very local newspaper. One source doesn't meet GNG, multiple sources does, give me more proof of significant coverage and I'll withdraw my vote, but until then he don't meet our guidelines.
Pokerkiller (
talk) 16:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Toffanin ( talk) 17:39, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Toffanin ( talk) 17:39, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Rikster2 ( talk) 18:23, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 02:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- Weak delete There's no use going into the WP:NBASKETBALL debate because all articles need to pass GNG anyway, its a guideline that assumes (often wrongly in my eyes) a player from a certain league receives sufficient coverage to make him notable, it doesn't confer notability by itself. There are a few sources, some in depth (I wouldn't be confortable with the Italian source being used, its a fan website, not a reliable source) but I would like to see a few more in depth articles before being convinced. I did a quick search and didn't find more that what was given, though my knowledge of Canadian newspapers is nearly bare. If its not possible to find decent coverage of a player who has been based in two-English speaking (and basketball-following) nations than he's not notable enough. -- ArmstrongJulian ( talk) 21:32, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- @ ArmstrongJulian: Here are some reliable sources that aren't included in the article yet: [1], [2], [3]. TempleM ( talk) 22:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95 Talk 15:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95 Talk 15:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
- Keep None of this personal opinion nonsense. Enough with that. If he plays in a fully pro league, he meets the standard and deleted the article is a violation of site etiquette and just trying to destroy other editor's work for no reason. Bluesangrel ( talk) 18:40, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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