The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —‍ Mdaniels5757 ( talk •  contribs) 17:10, 17 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Isuzu Giga

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The article is poorly written and has no reliable third party sources covering it. Wiki is better off with stub quality articles like these. There seems to be no improvement even when the article was reinstated with sources. U¹ _quattro  TALK 15:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. U¹ _quattro  TALK 15:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Keep - I've added a few sources to the article [1] which IMHO are sufficient, There are also a whole ton more on Google News [2] which I'll add in due course, The article needs work however that's not a reason to delete, Clearly a notable subject. Meets GNG. – Davey2010 ^Talk 16:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep - even if we delete the crufty bits there will be enough of a stub left to be considerably better than no article.  Mr.choppers |  ✎  17:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep – searching for coverage in Japanese does seem to turn up some seemingly significant and reliable coverage, such as [3]. I was able to find some English-language coverage as well ( [4], [5]), and there seems to be a fair amount in Indonesian (although I'm unclear on its reliability or depth). That having been said, I do want to note that the sources currently cited in the article, as well as its linked article in Japanese, are largely not independent, and I don't think that those sources establish GNG on their own. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:05, 10 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Agreed on the GNG part - The Japanese sources aren't actually that great and IMHO the English ones at the moment are the best we've found. – Davey2010 ^Talk 01:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Then your assumption about GNG is incorrect Davey2010. Notability is not the sole reason to keep an article. U¹ _quattro  TALK 03:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC) reply

No shit sherlock!, Why do you think I've just agreed with his statement ?. Good grief. – Davey2010 ^Talk 11:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Then there is no reason for the article to stay. U¹ _quattro  TALK 12:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Comment: Main reason for deletion is the stub quality as well as the poor format. This seems more like a sales brochure listing everything that is available rather than explaining in detail about the truck, what are the special features etc. This is better off as a redirect because even when sources are cited, they are not third party sources. U¹ _quattro  TALK 04:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Neither stub quality nor poor format are reasons to delete an article. Phil Bridger ( talk) 10:19, 10 August 2020 (UTC) reply

This is however a solid reason for the deletion of this article Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article. U¹ _quattro  TALK 10:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Keep - This proposal for me doesn't actually scream any valid criteria for deletion but rather "article bad, delete lol". Other than this, per Mr.choppers and Rosguill. Ed talk! 05:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC) reply
• Comment - I've since sourced the article - Most sources are Isuzu sources with a few Facebook ones and one For sale ad, There's thousands of sources on Google News [6] however the few there that can be used don't really have any place at the article at the moment. – Davey2010 ^Talk 19:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC) reply
• Comment: Davey2010 Facebook is not a reliable source. I suggest you remove those sources which link to Facebook. U¹ _quattro  TALK 02:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC) reply

No, Facebook is fine to use and more so when it confirms the vehicle exists, Unless you're happy to go to subscription websites to access material then the cites I've added can stay. – Davey2010 ^Talk 10:39, 12 August 2020 (UTC) reply

• Keep WP:NOTCLEANUP — Alexis Jazz ( talk or ping me) 18:22, 12 August 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep - I see that finding source is the main issue here. Who knows one day there is someone who is very passionate with this topic that will find this article and could deliver good sources (likely in other languages). Andra Febrian ( talk) 13:28, 13 August 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep - I was waffling between 'weak keep' and 'keep' here. Most of the sourcing is from primary sources, but there are a couple in there that are secondary. While Truck and Driver may not be wholly objective about the truck, I think there is enough there to establish GNG. We may be stymied by the lack of English coverage, but the Japanese sources indicate that there is significant coverage out there to warrant an article. Jip Orlando ( talk) 13:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC) reply
• Keep per all of the above. Olaf Kosinsky ( talk) 19:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.