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The result was delete. Whilst some sources have been presented, there is consensus that most of them are routine and there is not enough to satisfy GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 21:18, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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Pandita has not received significant coverage or played in a fully professional league, meaning the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep - Respectfully disagree with nom. about GNG, plenty of coverage out there: [1], [2], [3] - WP:THREE, [4]. Loads for the subject's (ongoing) career in Spain, e.g. [5], [6], [7], which is expected given he is reportedly the first Indian to officially join a Spanish club. R96Skinner ( talk) 14:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete A
WP:BLP1E (signing for a La Liga team as a youth player three years ago). His football career is absolutely non-notable: a handful of appearances for teams in the Tercera Division, which is two tiers below a
WP:NFOOTY-qualifying league. Article's also unsourced.
SportingFlyer
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01:54, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Plenty of past cases show BLP1E is rarely enough for delete,
AfD/Wayne Shaw (footballer) springs to mind - a goalkeeper famous for eating a pie! (or was it a pasty? we may never know!)
R96Skinner (
talk)
03:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- The Wayne Shaw was a non-admin close, probably should have been a no consensus. All of the coverage is routine transfer announcements from local sources which are playing him up. As I've said, he miserably fails
WP:NFOOTY. The only coverage of him on Lorca, where he's currently playing, all I can find is a brief mention
here. Clearly non-notable.
SportingFlyer
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05:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Coverage whilst with Leganés, Gimnàstic and Lorca across three years, that's fairly sustained. I get there is an argument here, but I feel GNG is satisfied. As mentioned at a different AfD, it's a shame GNG completely trumps NFOOTY - which I'd say is a better barometer for notability but hey, GNG tops all at Wikipedia so here we are. R96Skinner ( talk) 19:56, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- The Wayne Shaw was a non-admin close, probably should have been a no consensus. All of the coverage is routine transfer announcements from local sources which are playing him up. As I've said, he miserably fails
WP:NFOOTY. The only coverage of him on Lorca, where he's currently playing, all I can find is a brief mention
here. Clearly non-notable.
SportingFlyer
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05:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Plenty of past cases show BLP1E is rarely enough for delete,
AfD/Wayne Shaw (footballer) springs to mind - a goalkeeper famous for eating a pie! (or was it a pasty? we may never know!)
R96Skinner (
talk)
03:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 08:05, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per R96Skinner and have added references [8] , [9] , [10] , [11] , [12] , [13] He is the first Indian player to join a Spanish club passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 18:36, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- With one possible exception all of those sources are
WP:MILL about him joining Leganes or Nastic, two teams he never ultimately appeared for.
SportingFlyer
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02:31, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- WP:MILL is an essay though, so doesn't really bring anything concrete; also, whether he played or not is irrelevant when questioning GNG. R96Skinner ( talk) 19:56, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, but
WP:MILL is still used frequently at AfD discussions, and I think it should be used here as well. There's a distinct difference between having sources and having sources which pass
WP:GNG, and while there are a couple sources here that come close, he is only notable for signing a contract with a La Liga side - he is not notable as a footballer, yet, just a routine fourth division player, and we should not be encouraging these types of articles.
SportingFlyer
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01:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- I respect where you're coming from, but I do disagree (evidently). To stop us going in circles, agree to disagree I'd say. R96Skinner ( talk) 02:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, but
WP:MILL is still used frequently at AfD discussions, and I think it should be used here as well. There's a distinct difference between having sources and having sources which pass
WP:GNG, and while there are a couple sources here that come close, he is only notable for signing a contract with a La Liga side - he is not notable as a footballer, yet, just a routine fourth division player, and we should not be encouraging these types of articles.
SportingFlyer
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01:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- With one possible exception all of those sources are
WP:MILL about him joining Leganes or Nastic, two teams he never ultimately appeared for.
SportingFlyer
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02:31, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Meets GNG with significant in-depth coverage documented above, since 2015. Some of the coverage is routine, however this and this certainly aren't. And as this notes, he created history as "the first Indian footballer to sign a professional contract with a Spanish La Liga club". Nfitz ( talk) 03:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete
because there's three keep !votesbecause SportsKeeda is in-depth, but it's user-generated content, so not a reliable source with editorial control, and KashmirLife is written by the Secretary of the state sports council, so not really independent journalism, but rather promotional, like a press release. Every other link in the article and here looks like non-in-depth, routine coverage. Fails WP:GNG, and the fact that we're finding a lot of sources indicates it's not a lack-of-access-to-sources problem. I'm not persuaded that "first <ethnicity> to play in <country>" is something that would suggest there's significant coverage out there (unless it's really unique like first South Korean to play in North Korea or something). – Leviv ich 04:34, 5 October 2019 (UTC) - Delete per SportingFlyer and Levivich arguments. Frankly, he's not too different from Hendry Antonay, which was recently kept for having an 'in-depth coverage' of exactly one event in his career (being selected for U17 NT).-- BlameRuiner ( talk) 18:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Whilst some sources have been presented, there is consensus that most of them are routine and there is not enough to satisfy GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 21:18, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
Ishan Pandita
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Pandita has not received significant coverage or played in a fully professional league, meaning the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Sir Sputnik ( talk) 14:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep - Respectfully disagree with nom. about GNG, plenty of coverage out there: [1], [2], [3] - WP:THREE, [4]. Loads for the subject's (ongoing) career in Spain, e.g. [5], [6], [7], which is expected given he is reportedly the first Indian to officially join a Spanish club. R96Skinner ( talk) 14:44, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:11, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 15:12, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
- Delete A
WP:BLP1E (signing for a La Liga team as a youth player three years ago). His football career is absolutely non-notable: a handful of appearances for teams in the Tercera Division, which is two tiers below a
WP:NFOOTY-qualifying league. Article's also unsourced.
SportingFlyer
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C
01:54, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Plenty of past cases show BLP1E is rarely enough for delete,
AfD/Wayne Shaw (footballer) springs to mind - a goalkeeper famous for eating a pie! (or was it a pasty? we may never know!)
R96Skinner (
talk)
03:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- The Wayne Shaw was a non-admin close, probably should have been a no consensus. All of the coverage is routine transfer announcements from local sources which are playing him up. As I've said, he miserably fails
WP:NFOOTY. The only coverage of him on Lorca, where he's currently playing, all I can find is a brief mention
here. Clearly non-notable.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
05:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Coverage whilst with Leganés, Gimnàstic and Lorca across three years, that's fairly sustained. I get there is an argument here, but I feel GNG is satisfied. As mentioned at a different AfD, it's a shame GNG completely trumps NFOOTY - which I'd say is a better barometer for notability but hey, GNG tops all at Wikipedia so here we are. R96Skinner ( talk) 19:56, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- The Wayne Shaw was a non-admin close, probably should have been a no consensus. All of the coverage is routine transfer announcements from local sources which are playing him up. As I've said, he miserably fails
WP:NFOOTY. The only coverage of him on Lorca, where he's currently playing, all I can find is a brief mention
here. Clearly non-notable.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
05:52, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Plenty of past cases show BLP1E is rarely enough for delete,
AfD/Wayne Shaw (footballer) springs to mind - a goalkeeper famous for eating a pie! (or was it a pasty? we may never know!)
R96Skinner (
talk)
03:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 08:05, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
- Keep per R96Skinner and have added references [8] , [9] , [10] , [11] , [12] , [13] He is the first Indian player to join a Spanish club passes WP:GNG. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 18:36, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- With one possible exception all of those sources are
WP:MILL about him joining Leganes or Nastic, two teams he never ultimately appeared for.
SportingFlyer
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C
02:31, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- WP:MILL is an essay though, so doesn't really bring anything concrete; also, whether he played or not is irrelevant when questioning GNG. R96Skinner ( talk) 19:56, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, but
WP:MILL is still used frequently at AfD discussions, and I think it should be used here as well. There's a distinct difference between having sources and having sources which pass
WP:GNG, and while there are a couple sources here that come close, he is only notable for signing a contract with a La Liga side - he is not notable as a footballer, yet, just a routine fourth division player, and we should not be encouraging these types of articles.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
01:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- I respect where you're coming from, but I do disagree (evidently). To stop us going in circles, agree to disagree I'd say. R96Skinner ( talk) 02:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, but
WP:MILL is still used frequently at AfD discussions, and I think it should be used here as well. There's a distinct difference between having sources and having sources which pass
WP:GNG, and while there are a couple sources here that come close, he is only notable for signing a contract with a La Liga side - he is not notable as a footballer, yet, just a routine fourth division player, and we should not be encouraging these types of articles.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
01:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
- With one possible exception all of those sources are
WP:MILL about him joining Leganes or Nastic, two teams he never ultimately appeared for.
SportingFlyer
T·
C
02:31, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Meets GNG with significant in-depth coverage documented above, since 2015. Some of the coverage is routine, however this and this certainly aren't. And as this notes, he created history as "the first Indian footballer to sign a professional contract with a Spanish La Liga club". Nfitz ( talk) 03:23, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete
because there's three keep !votesbecause SportsKeeda is in-depth, but it's user-generated content, so not a reliable source with editorial control, and KashmirLife is written by the Secretary of the state sports council, so not really independent journalism, but rather promotional, like a press release. Every other link in the article and here looks like non-in-depth, routine coverage. Fails WP:GNG, and the fact that we're finding a lot of sources indicates it's not a lack-of-access-to-sources problem. I'm not persuaded that "first <ethnicity> to play in <country>" is something that would suggest there's significant coverage out there (unless it's really unique like first South Korean to play in North Korea or something). – Leviv ich 04:34, 5 October 2019 (UTC) - Delete per SportingFlyer and Levivich arguments. Frankly, he's not too different from Hendry Antonay, which was recently kept for having an 'in-depth coverage' of exactly one event in his career (being selected for U17 NT).-- BlameRuiner ( talk) 18:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. 4meter4 ( talk) 19:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
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