- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. Neither keep nor delete arguments here are substantially helpful toward resolution. If a new discussion is opened, it should focus on whether or not there is a substantial quantity of reliable and independent reference material available to write an article about this individual, not what they have won or anything else. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Isabella Rodríguez
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Fails GNG, Fails ANYBIO, Fails BLP1E standards ─ The Aafī (talk) 00:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Keep - She's a national beauty pageant titleholder of her country. She's Miss Venezuela 2018. She's Miss Venezuela, the winner of the most important beauty contest of her type in her country. She also has considerable well-known participation in Miss World 2019, was Top 40; winner of the Head to Head chalenge. She has been the presenter of Miss Venezuela pageants and TV host of the longest daytime TV program in Venezuela Portada's at Venevisión network.-- Mauriziok ( talk) 13:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 05:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete previously deleted, no reason to keep this time. Fails WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 10:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Why is this article going to be deleted?
Hi everyone. I consider, that it does not seem fair to me, the eventual elimination, of the article, of the former beauty queen and TV presenter, Venezuelan Isabella Rodríguez .
There can be no justification, because there are enough or journalistic sources and videos that confirm that the aforementioned former beauty queen exists, her beginnings, her work as Miss Venezuela 2018, and her subsequent participation, in the important beauty contest, Miss World 2019. There are also sources that this girl suffered bullying and racism, after having won the Miss Venezuela, due to her humble origins, and her skin color. There are also references that after she gave the crown, she began to work on the venevision morning show Portadas. There are elements to consider, so that this article is not eliminated. Greetings and thanks.-- Disciplinado ( talk) 13:44, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disciplinado, I would really feel glad if you provide the sources that help the article pass WP:GNG or WP:NMODEL, WP:NACTOR or even WP:ANYBIO ─ The Aafī (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- I added more references or sources, such as press, reports and videos, for their respective verification. I also had to eliminate the profession of actress, since there is no reference to clarify that she has done such artistic work. .. Greetings-- Disciplinado ( talk) 17:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I am not convinced by the keepers above. No one has tried to argue how the subject meets notability criterias like WP:GNG or WP:NMODEL or even WP:ANYBIO. Just anything? ─ The Aafī (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment TheAafi
“1. The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times.”
Isabella Rodríguez recived the Miss Venezuela 2018 title. As I said previously, the Miss Venezuela title is the most important, longest and well-known national beauty contest in Venezuela and is one the most important beauty pageant contest in the world & above all Latam.
For example, every Miss USA winner has her own Wikipedia page without any problem.
Plus, Rodríguez participated in the 2019 Miss World edition keeping the Top 40 and as others 2019 Miss World contestants , many of them have their articles.
Talking about the other 2 points:
“2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field.
3. The person has an entry in a country's standard national biographical dictionary (e.g. the Dictionary of National Biography).”
Yes, the other 2 conditions only cover the historical aspect as a particular data. However, these 3 conditions do not have to be met for an item to be preserved. In fact, Wikipedia itself establishes that none of these 3 criteria can be met and even then a Wikipedia article can be maintained or that the 3 criteria are met and still the article should not be preserved. They are subjective criteria to the librarian and not standardized.
Even so, these criteria are very subjective: “meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.”
Despite of that, Rodríguez's importance in the world of beauty pageants is considerable and it is sustainable.
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“Subjects notable only for one event We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:”
"1. If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event."
The first event for which she was known was the Miss Venezuela pageant, but she also have gained popularity as a host of diverse events.
“2. If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual."
She's not a low profile individual. She’s also a TV Host in the longest magazine program in Venezuela, Portada's & Super Sábado Sensacional. Rodríguez also has more than 250k followers in a verified Instagram count and has a very persistent appearance in national television.
"3. If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.”
Has been really significant and persistent and has a well documented information as you can see in the references (newspapers and webpages) had mention to her.
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“General notability guideline”
“A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject:”
- "Significant coverage"
- "Reliable"
- "Sources"
- "Independent of the subject"
- "Presumed"
The article meets with these conditions and they can be perfectly checked in the references of the article. The secondary sources come mostly from publications that handle national information at a general level, not only on beauty contests. And the information is not based solely on blogs or personal web pages.
For these reason: I request the removal of “Articles of deletion”.
Thanks. -- Mauriziok ( talk) 21:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 19:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't agree with BLP1E in this case. In Latin America the Miss World is like Super Bowl for the US. There is no need to participate more than once to become a celebrity. Dr.KBAHT ( talk) 20:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as per Alexandermcnabb. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Dr.KBAHT. Semi-finalist in a major model competition. Bearian ( talk) 16:38, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Winner of Miss Venezuela 2018, and Miss Venezuela is the most successful National beauty pageant in the world. She also placed Semi-finalist at Miss World 2019. Really meet WP:GNG. Bonutra ( talk) 7:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO. The national title holder of a major beauty pageant with wide media coverage would fall under that category. WP:ONEEVENT doesn’t apply because title holders have reigning responsibilities (ie public speeches, public service, appearances at major events and on tv, etc.) that get press coverage typically over a year long period after they win. Not to mention the international pageant as well. 4meter4 ( talk) 04:42, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. Neither keep nor delete arguments here are substantially helpful toward resolution. If a new discussion is opened, it should focus on whether or not there is a substantial quantity of reliable and independent reference material available to write an article about this individual, not what they have won or anything else. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Isabella Rodríguez
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Fails GNG, Fails ANYBIO, Fails BLP1E standards ─ The Aafī (talk) 00:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ─ The Aafī (talk) 00:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. ─ The Aafī (talk) 00:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Venezuela-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - She's a national beauty pageant titleholder of her country. She's Miss Venezuela 2018. She's Miss Venezuela, the winner of the most important beauty contest of her type in her country. She also has considerable well-known participation in Miss World 2019, was Top 40; winner of the Head to Head chalenge. She has been the presenter of Miss Venezuela pageants and TV host of the longest daytime TV program in Venezuela Portada's at Venevisión network.-- Mauriziok ( talk) 13:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 05:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete previously deleted, no reason to keep this time. Fails WP:GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 10:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Why is this article going to be deleted?
Hi everyone. I consider, that it does not seem fair to me, the eventual elimination, of the article, of the former beauty queen and TV presenter, Venezuelan Isabella Rodríguez .
There can be no justification, because there are enough or journalistic sources and videos that confirm that the aforementioned former beauty queen exists, her beginnings, her work as Miss Venezuela 2018, and her subsequent participation, in the important beauty contest, Miss World 2019. There are also sources that this girl suffered bullying and racism, after having won the Miss Venezuela, due to her humble origins, and her skin color. There are also references that after she gave the crown, she began to work on the venevision morning show Portadas. There are elements to consider, so that this article is not eliminated. Greetings and thanks.-- Disciplinado ( talk) 13:44, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Disciplinado, I would really feel glad if you provide the sources that help the article pass WP:GNG or WP:NMODEL, WP:NACTOR or even WP:ANYBIO ─ The Aafī (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- I added more references or sources, such as press, reports and videos, for their respective verification. I also had to eliminate the profession of actress, since there is no reference to clarify that she has done such artistic work. .. Greetings-- Disciplinado ( talk) 17:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I am not convinced by the keepers above. No one has tried to argue how the subject meets notability criterias like WP:GNG or WP:NMODEL or even WP:ANYBIO. Just anything? ─ The Aafī (talk) 00:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment TheAafi
“1. The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times.”
Isabella Rodríguez recived the Miss Venezuela 2018 title. As I said previously, the Miss Venezuela title is the most important, longest and well-known national beauty contest in Venezuela and is one the most important beauty pageant contest in the world & above all Latam.
For example, every Miss USA winner has her own Wikipedia page without any problem.
Plus, Rodríguez participated in the 2019 Miss World edition keeping the Top 40 and as others 2019 Miss World contestants , many of them have their articles.
Talking about the other 2 points:
“2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field.
3. The person has an entry in a country's standard national biographical dictionary (e.g. the Dictionary of National Biography).”
Yes, the other 2 conditions only cover the historical aspect as a particular data. However, these 3 conditions do not have to be met for an item to be preserved. In fact, Wikipedia itself establishes that none of these 3 criteria can be met and even then a Wikipedia article can be maintained or that the 3 criteria are met and still the article should not be preserved. They are subjective criteria to the librarian and not standardized.
Even so, these criteria are very subjective: “meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.”
Despite of that, Rodríguez's importance in the world of beauty pageants is considerable and it is sustainable.
---
“Subjects notable only for one event We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:”
"1. If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event."
The first event for which she was known was the Miss Venezuela pageant, but she also have gained popularity as a host of diverse events.
“2. If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual."
She's not a low profile individual. She’s also a TV Host in the longest magazine program in Venezuela, Portada's & Super Sábado Sensacional. Rodríguez also has more than 250k followers in a verified Instagram count and has a very persistent appearance in national television.
"3. If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented.”
Has been really significant and persistent and has a well documented information as you can see in the references (newspapers and webpages) had mention to her.
---
“General notability guideline”
“A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject:”
- "Significant coverage"
- "Reliable"
- "Sources"
- "Independent of the subject"
- "Presumed"
The article meets with these conditions and they can be perfectly checked in the references of the article. The secondary sources come mostly from publications that handle national information at a general level, not only on beauty contests. And the information is not based solely on blogs or personal web pages.
For these reason: I request the removal of “Articles of deletion”.
Thanks. -- Mauriziok ( talk) 21:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 19:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't agree with BLP1E in this case. In Latin America the Miss World is like Super Bowl for the US. There is no need to participate more than once to become a celebrity. Dr.KBAHT ( talk) 20:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as per Alexandermcnabb. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Dr.KBAHT. Semi-finalist in a major model competition. Bearian ( talk) 16:38, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Winner of Miss Venezuela 2018, and Miss Venezuela is the most successful National beauty pageant in the world. She also placed Semi-finalist at Miss World 2019. Really meet WP:GNG. Bonutra ( talk) 7:48, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per criteria 1 of WP:ANYBIO. The national title holder of a major beauty pageant with wide media coverage would fall under that category. WP:ONEEVENT doesn’t apply because title holders have reigning responsibilities (ie public speeches, public service, appearances at major events and on tv, etc.) that get press coverage typically over a year long period after they win. Not to mention the international pageant as well. 4meter4 ( talk) 04:42, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.