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The result was delete. Notability is intentionally not the same standard as "famous" or "well known". So while Unzu may be will known in Spain, there has not yet been adequate sourcing to demonstrate that he is notable. Of course if more sourcing comes in the future this may change. But for now there is a consensus to delete this article. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Iker Unzu
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Non-notable individual fails WP:GNG, Lacking significant coverage from reliable resources. Must be speedy. NarangD ( talk) 06:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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Iker Unzu is very well known in Spanish-speaking countries. Although in Spain there is not much attention or awareness given to content creators (specifically YouTube or TikTok) based on how large his audience is worldwide, their notableness can be confirmed. There are not many articles that talk about him specifically for that reason and because he is a minor. 17:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.10.153.144 ( talk)
Hello NarangD. It is normal, I will try to explain a little my reasons to prove relevance. I think we are facing a case similar to others we had in the past, such as "El Rubius" or "PewDiePie". They are celebrities, they do not have many more merits to their credit than being popular through new media that in many cases have nothing to do with traditional popularity. The article is brief, I limited myself in its day to creating something drinkable but with references, since I saw that it had been already deleted 3 times until my creation. Since then, this article has received lots of visits (although I know this does not credit any relevance, but it is the most visited article by far of those I have created).
- I go on to list my reasons:
- I have known of Iker's existence since last year as the main comedy content creator on the platform TikTok (the 25th most followed creator in Spain). Since 2020 there has been an explosion of comedy videos and the figure of Iker has been growing.
- In 2021 its growth had exploded, as well as that of TikTok. He becomes a content creator for a new type of YouTube vlogs, skits and shorts and his unique editing style is copied by many.
- As a result of this growth, he has already passed 7 million followers on TikTok and 1.3 million on YouTube. That does not prove anything, but these are huge figures for someone who is purely a celebrity on the internet, which is also the medium where he has become popular.
- For all these reasons, I believe that we are facing a character who represents a comedian/content creator that is growing in popularity, who is spreading his presence to more and more areas and who is, pure and simple, an internet celebrity of whom it will be difficult to find testimonies or traces of fame at a traditional level, but that meets the requirements of relevance and arouses interest (and a lot, if we accept the criteria of visits of this article since it exists). He is also verified in all the previously mentioned social medias, I know that does not prove his relevance, but it shows his distinctions. Emmacham ( talk) 19:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello again NarangD, I made some edits and added some more references I found about Iker, these might help to prove his notability. Emmacham ( talk) 20:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Delete Regardless of the reasons mentioned above, WP:GNG has not been demonstrated. – The Grid ( talk) 20:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Comment :I can see the references you provided, are not meeting the Wikipedia's notability criteria that they can justify the notability of the subject. For more please wait for other editor's comments here. NarangD ( talk) 02:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 08:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - fails
WP:GNG per nom. The two
Heraldo de Aragón articles seem to be the only decent sources - one is a profile of him and the other has some sentences on him. All the others seem to either be his own posts or statistics on his social media, which obviously don't count towards proving his notability.
Aranya
(talk)
14:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- So, does having one decent source not count? It does prove notability, not every creator has an article written about them in an extremely visited website in Spain. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
88.10.153.144 (
talk)
18:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- So Wikipedia's notability guideline suggests multiple sources, but it's not a strict requirement and we usually look at each person's situation individually. Especially in Unzu's case, it would be helpful to have multiple articles that focus on him so we can see why his activities on TikTok and YouTube have become famous. We can't just blindly include Wikipedia articles for anyone who has had a newspaper article written about them, so we have this general standard for inclusion. Aranya (talk) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- So, does having one decent source not count? It does prove notability, not every creator has an article written about them in an extremely visited website in Spain. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
88.10.153.144 (
talk)
18:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, I will search for more sources/newspaper articles written about him. What does a source need to be decent or approved by Wikipedia, knowing that not all sources are validated? What does a source need to be approved?
- They should be reliable sources - there is a good description of that on the page WP:SOURCE. A good strategy would be to look for websites like Heraldo de Aragón, well-known newspapers with wide circulation. You can look at our list of newspapers in Spain for some ideas too. Best regards, Aranya (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, I will search for more sources/newspaper articles written about him. What does a source need to be decent or approved by Wikipedia, knowing that not all sources are validated? What does a source need to be approved?
- I searched and found
this article (Iker Unzu, o cómo conquistar a la Generación Z con el humor), it is a well-known site with wide circulation, so is it valid? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
88.10.153.144 (
talk)
17:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- That looks good!
Flooxer is owned by
Atresmedia - I've noticed they've covered a lot of Spanish YouTubers who haven't received much attention outside their home country (but might still be notable). If there is more in-depth coverage like this, I think a good case might be made for Unzu's article per
WP:NBASIC.
Aranya
(talk)
18:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- I also found that
Antena 3 and
Flooxer have tweeted about Unzu and the article, do tweets count as a reference source?
Antena 3 is owned by
Atresmedia too and has over 1 million followers on
Twitter. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Emmacham (
talk •
contribs)
20:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- @ Emmacham:: tweets probably don't count towards notability since they're so short. Do they link to complete news articles? Aranya (talk) 20:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- I also found that
Antena 3 and
Flooxer have tweeted about Unzu and the article, do tweets count as a reference source?
Antena 3 is owned by
Atresmedia too and has over 1 million followers on
Twitter. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Emmacham (
talk •
contribs)
20:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- That looks good!
Flooxer is owned by
Atresmedia - I've noticed they've covered a lot of Spanish YouTubers who haven't received much attention outside their home country (but might still be notable). If there is more in-depth coverage like this, I think a good case might be made for Unzu's article per
WP:NBASIC.
Aranya
(talk)
18:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
The tweets talked about the article from flooxer, but no new articles. They did talk about Unzu tho before adding the link to the article... I don't know if that prooves something. I'll search for more on the web in case it doesn't. Emmacham (talk) 08:42, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV due to lack of significant coverage in multiple independent sources. 4meter4 ( talk) 01:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Notability is intentionally not the same standard as "famous" or "well known". So while Unzu may be will known in Spain, there has not yet been adequate sourcing to demonstrate that he is notable. Of course if more sourcing comes in the future this may change. But for now there is a consensus to delete this article. Barkeep49 ( talk) 01:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Iker Unzu
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Non-notable individual fails WP:GNG, Lacking significant coverage from reliable resources. Must be speedy. NarangD ( talk) 06:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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Iker Unzu is very well known in Spanish-speaking countries. Although in Spain there is not much attention or awareness given to content creators (specifically YouTube or TikTok) based on how large his audience is worldwide, their notableness can be confirmed. There are not many articles that talk about him specifically for that reason and because he is a minor. 17:23, 14 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.10.153.144 ( talk)
Hello NarangD. It is normal, I will try to explain a little my reasons to prove relevance. I think we are facing a case similar to others we had in the past, such as "El Rubius" or "PewDiePie". They are celebrities, they do not have many more merits to their credit than being popular through new media that in many cases have nothing to do with traditional popularity. The article is brief, I limited myself in its day to creating something drinkable but with references, since I saw that it had been already deleted 3 times until my creation. Since then, this article has received lots of visits (although I know this does not credit any relevance, but it is the most visited article by far of those I have created).
- I go on to list my reasons:
- I have known of Iker's existence since last year as the main comedy content creator on the platform TikTok (the 25th most followed creator in Spain). Since 2020 there has been an explosion of comedy videos and the figure of Iker has been growing.
- In 2021 its growth had exploded, as well as that of TikTok. He becomes a content creator for a new type of YouTube vlogs, skits and shorts and his unique editing style is copied by many.
- As a result of this growth, he has already passed 7 million followers on TikTok and 1.3 million on YouTube. That does not prove anything, but these are huge figures for someone who is purely a celebrity on the internet, which is also the medium where he has become popular.
- For all these reasons, I believe that we are facing a character who represents a comedian/content creator that is growing in popularity, who is spreading his presence to more and more areas and who is, pure and simple, an internet celebrity of whom it will be difficult to find testimonies or traces of fame at a traditional level, but that meets the requirements of relevance and arouses interest (and a lot, if we accept the criteria of visits of this article since it exists). He is also verified in all the previously mentioned social medias, I know that does not prove his relevance, but it shows his distinctions. Emmacham ( talk) 19:51, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello again NarangD, I made some edits and added some more references I found about Iker, these might help to prove his notability. Emmacham ( talk) 20:22, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Delete Regardless of the reasons mentioned above, WP:GNG has not been demonstrated. – The Grid ( talk) 20:28, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
Comment :I can see the references you provided, are not meeting the Wikipedia's notability criteria that they can justify the notability of the subject. For more please wait for other editor's comments here. NarangD ( talk) 02:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 🐱 08:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - fails
WP:GNG per nom. The two
Heraldo de Aragón articles seem to be the only decent sources - one is a profile of him and the other has some sentences on him. All the others seem to either be his own posts or statistics on his social media, which obviously don't count towards proving his notability.
Aranya
(talk)
14:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- So, does having one decent source not count? It does prove notability, not every creator has an article written about them in an extremely visited website in Spain. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
88.10.153.144 (
talk)
18:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- So Wikipedia's notability guideline suggests multiple sources, but it's not a strict requirement and we usually look at each person's situation individually. Especially in Unzu's case, it would be helpful to have multiple articles that focus on him so we can see why his activities on TikTok and YouTube have become famous. We can't just blindly include Wikipedia articles for anyone who has had a newspaper article written about them, so we have this general standard for inclusion. Aranya (talk) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- So, does having one decent source not count? It does prove notability, not every creator has an article written about them in an extremely visited website in Spain. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
88.10.153.144 (
talk)
18:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, I will search for more sources/newspaper articles written about him. What does a source need to be decent or approved by Wikipedia, knowing that not all sources are validated? What does a source need to be approved?
- They should be reliable sources - there is a good description of that on the page WP:SOURCE. A good strategy would be to look for websites like Heraldo de Aragón, well-known newspapers with wide circulation. You can look at our list of newspapers in Spain for some ideas too. Best regards, Aranya (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, I will search for more sources/newspaper articles written about him. What does a source need to be decent or approved by Wikipedia, knowing that not all sources are validated? What does a source need to be approved?
- I searched and found
this article (Iker Unzu, o cómo conquistar a la Generación Z con el humor), it is a well-known site with wide circulation, so is it valid? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
88.10.153.144 (
talk)
17:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- That looks good!
Flooxer is owned by
Atresmedia - I've noticed they've covered a lot of Spanish YouTubers who haven't received much attention outside their home country (but might still be notable). If there is more in-depth coverage like this, I think a good case might be made for Unzu's article per
WP:NBASIC.
Aranya
(talk)
18:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- I also found that
Antena 3 and
Flooxer have tweeted about Unzu and the article, do tweets count as a reference source?
Antena 3 is owned by
Atresmedia too and has over 1 million followers on
Twitter. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Emmacham (
talk •
contribs)
20:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- @ Emmacham:: tweets probably don't count towards notability since they're so short. Do they link to complete news articles? Aranya (talk) 20:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- I also found that
Antena 3 and
Flooxer have tweeted about Unzu and the article, do tweets count as a reference source?
Antena 3 is owned by
Atresmedia too and has over 1 million followers on
Twitter. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Emmacham (
talk •
contribs)
20:20, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- That looks good!
Flooxer is owned by
Atresmedia - I've noticed they've covered a lot of Spanish YouTubers who haven't received much attention outside their home country (but might still be notable). If there is more in-depth coverage like this, I think a good case might be made for Unzu's article per
WP:NBASIC.
Aranya
(talk)
18:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
The tweets talked about the article from flooxer, but no new articles. They did talk about Unzu tho before adding the link to the article... I don't know if that prooves something. I'll search for more on the web in case it doesn't. Emmacham (talk) 08:42, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV due to lack of significant coverage in multiple independent sources. 4meter4 ( talk) 01:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.