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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 07:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Hubert Klyne Headley
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I couldn't establish that he meets WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. No suitable WP:ATD. Boleyn ( talk) 08:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and West Virginia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:25, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I was able to find news coverage pretty easily. It's mostly local coverage, but it demonstrates that Headley's music was performed by notable orchestras and notable conductors. And some of it has been issued on a major label since his death. His California Suite seems to have been widely performed in the 1940's. So I think he meets the first criterion for notability by composers, and that's all that's needed for the article to survive AfD. I'll try to add some of the news coverage I found to document the various facts of his life and career. P Aculeius ( talk) 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The Afd proposal quotes the
WP:MUSICBIO, which redirects to Criteria for musicians and ensembles, but as the subject of this article is a composer, it seems to me that we should refer to
WP:COMPOSER for the criteria.
- In this context, this composer fulfills at least one criterion, for instance : Has credit for writing (...) music for a notable composition. as he wrote several compositions that are of high personal and skilled levels and that are published or listed as interesting on their subjet (this is how I interpret notable), and apparently one of the most notable one is the California Suite published by Naxos on the performance of Dmitry Yablonsky and that has several reviews on specialized websites for classical music, like Classics Today or Music Web International; this suite is listed in this this article from a specialized site on music of Hong-Kong (!) as containing a notable mouvement about the Golden gate, which "provides an impressionist depiction of the sights and sounds of San Francisco". In this page of the Canadian Music Centre, we can see that such a public institution celebrated recently (2017) this composer, by playing other pieces (chamber music in this case).
- Moreover, a second criterion may be mentioned, Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter, or lyricist that meets the above criteria., as it is mentioned on the netherlands version of wikipedia article for this composer that he was the teacher of Robert (Bob) Buckley, who apparently specialized on music for large scaled events like Olympic games, and arrangements for pop music artists like Brian Adams, and this student composer matches several criteria (despite he does not have a wiki page).
- The problem with this composer is that he was forgotten for some time (a few decades) and he just started to be rediscovered (the CMC Canada explains here how he was rediscovered in Canada), but this problem is very frequent for classical music composers and also happened to very important composers like Bach (completely forgotten after his death, until Mendelssohn played his music again almost one century later), or for a similar period of time than for Headley, to Mieczysław Weinberg.
- In conclusion, this article clearly needs improvements, but certainly not deletion. Galanga ( talk) 21:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I spent most of the day gathering news articles about Headley, and incorporating their contents into the article. However, I was taking notes, and may have left out useful details. Some sources I had hoped would provide more information about concert performances either didn't, or weren't available (I wasn't able to determine which). I found a program, but wasn't sure how to cite it. There were also non-musical radio (and television?) appearances that I didn't cite, as I wasn't sure they were important enough to mention. I also know that Headley had a son, but not sure whether he had other children. I'm sure that the list of compositions could be more thorough and perhaps improved; I hesitated about where to place some things, and how best to cite them. Would be glad of any help in that regard. However, I think the article is now clearly sufficient to demonstrate notability and verifiability, and should easily survive AfD. P Aculeius ( talk) 02:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with all the keep reasons presented. ThreeBootsInABucket ( talk) 18:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 07:24, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
Hubert Klyne Headley
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I couldn't establish that he meets WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. No suitable WP:ATD. Boleyn ( talk) 08:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and West Virginia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:25, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I was able to find news coverage pretty easily. It's mostly local coverage, but it demonstrates that Headley's music was performed by notable orchestras and notable conductors. And some of it has been issued on a major label since his death. His California Suite seems to have been widely performed in the 1940's. So I think he meets the first criterion for notability by composers, and that's all that's needed for the article to survive AfD. I'll try to add some of the news coverage I found to document the various facts of his life and career. P Aculeius ( talk) 17:50, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The Afd proposal quotes the
WP:MUSICBIO, which redirects to Criteria for musicians and ensembles, but as the subject of this article is a composer, it seems to me that we should refer to
WP:COMPOSER for the criteria.
- In this context, this composer fulfills at least one criterion, for instance : Has credit for writing (...) music for a notable composition. as he wrote several compositions that are of high personal and skilled levels and that are published or listed as interesting on their subjet (this is how I interpret notable), and apparently one of the most notable one is the California Suite published by Naxos on the performance of Dmitry Yablonsky and that has several reviews on specialized websites for classical music, like Classics Today or Music Web International; this suite is listed in this this article from a specialized site on music of Hong-Kong (!) as containing a notable mouvement about the Golden gate, which "provides an impressionist depiction of the sights and sounds of San Francisco". In this page of the Canadian Music Centre, we can see that such a public institution celebrated recently (2017) this composer, by playing other pieces (chamber music in this case).
- Moreover, a second criterion may be mentioned, Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter, or lyricist that meets the above criteria., as it is mentioned on the netherlands version of wikipedia article for this composer that he was the teacher of Robert (Bob) Buckley, who apparently specialized on music for large scaled events like Olympic games, and arrangements for pop music artists like Brian Adams, and this student composer matches several criteria (despite he does not have a wiki page).
- The problem with this composer is that he was forgotten for some time (a few decades) and he just started to be rediscovered (the CMC Canada explains here how he was rediscovered in Canada), but this problem is very frequent for classical music composers and also happened to very important composers like Bach (completely forgotten after his death, until Mendelssohn played his music again almost one century later), or for a similar period of time than for Headley, to Mieczysław Weinberg.
- In conclusion, this article clearly needs improvements, but certainly not deletion. Galanga ( talk) 21:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I spent most of the day gathering news articles about Headley, and incorporating their contents into the article. However, I was taking notes, and may have left out useful details. Some sources I had hoped would provide more information about concert performances either didn't, or weren't available (I wasn't able to determine which). I found a program, but wasn't sure how to cite it. There were also non-musical radio (and television?) appearances that I didn't cite, as I wasn't sure they were important enough to mention. I also know that Headley had a son, but not sure whether he had other children. I'm sure that the list of compositions could be more thorough and perhaps improved; I hesitated about where to place some things, and how best to cite them. Would be glad of any help in that regard. However, I think the article is now clearly sufficient to demonstrate notability and verifiability, and should easily survive AfD. P Aculeius ( talk) 02:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I agree with all the keep reasons presented. ThreeBootsInABucket ( talk) 18:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.