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The result was delete. It's snowing. Metaphorically and probably literally. Pile on not neede Star Mississippi 19:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Horner Avenue
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This article (and Evans Avenue, which I will be bundling shortly to this AfD) were created by a new editor (please be gentle). We have had discussions, but ultimately I have not been able to successfully explain the need for reliable sources that support notability. Ultimately, though, these streets clearly have not met notability requirements. Singularity42 ( talk) 19:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages (for reasons indicated above):
- Evans Avenue ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Lonsdale Road (Toronto) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (Bundling casualdejekyll 16:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC))
- Comment I have subsequently proposed that newly created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lonsdale Road (Toronto) be bundled to this AfD and would ask any reviewing administrator to review both AfDs at the same time. The remaining article of this series ( Westhead Road) is currently under an uncontested PROD at the time of this comment. Tag casualdejekyll. Singularity42 ( talk) 16:24, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Singularity42 ( talk) 19:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- apparently, these are arterial roads in Toronto which should be notable. As such why is Islington Avenue noted and created? I don't find that there are any notable statues there or something Wiokipedia ( talk) 19:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I believe this should be interpreted as a Keep !vote by the articles' creator.
Singularity42 (
talk)
19:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- what do you mean Wiokipedia ( talk) 19:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I believe this should be interpreted as a Keep !vote by the articles' creator.
Singularity42 (
talk)
19:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- apparently at the horner avenue page there is a reference that proves SOMETHING — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Wiokipedia (
talk •
contribs)
19:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
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Islington Avenue does not have its own article. Putting that aside, the road's entry includes information from
reliable sources about the history of the street, the controversy over the naming of the street, and other information that supports the road's notability. More importantly, the fact that other articles exist is
is not a basis to ignore how policy applies to this article. The reference you mention is a Google Maps entry, which I have tried to explain prior to this AfD is not a
reliable source. Anyway, let's see what other editors say.
Singularity42 (
talk)
19:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- kipling avenue is a road in Toronto that is similar to Islington ave, just regular buildings there. And kipling avenue has an independent article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 19:22, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I have seen one with my own eyes, maybe the case of the letters are different, but there should be an article about Islington ave in Toronto that has a title that's pronounced Islington avenue
Wiokipedia (
talk)
19:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- apparently Islington avenue was a redirect article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
-
Islington Avenue does not have its own article. Putting that aside, the road's entry includes information from
reliable sources about the history of the street, the controversy over the naming of the street, and other information that supports the road's notability. More importantly, the fact that other articles exist is
is not a basis to ignore how policy applies to this article. The reference you mention is a Google Maps entry, which I have tried to explain prior to this AfD is not a
reliable source. Anyway, let's see what other editors say.
Singularity42 (
talk)
19:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I have added the TTC information and a reference for the information. Wiokipedia ( talk) 19:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- There is an article that links to horner avenue and I didn't create that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete a minor arterial road isn't likely notable. Toronto has hundreds of streets, can't all have an article. Yonge Street I can see having one. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the Toronto classification map to see how less arterial roads there are in Toronto Wiokipedia ( talk) 19:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks to whoever who improved the references on that page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment It exists, we need proof as to why it's notable. The sources don't add much beyond proving it exists.
Oaktree b (
talk)
20:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- it's notable because it's an arterial road. Wiokipedia ( talk) 20:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- also, the TTC has a route there, it IS notable.
- Comment Wiokipedia, please read WP:GEOROAD and WP:Notability. I keep trying but I don't think you understand what term means for Wikipedia inclusion/deletion policy. Singularity42 ( talk) 20:22, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- didn't I tell you that it's notable because there is a ttc route there? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Wiokipedia (
talk •
contribs)
20:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- @ Wiokipedia, I don't see anything in WP:GEOROAD that suggests that having a transit route on a road makes it notable. "Notable" in Wikipedia terms doesn't mean "noteworthy" or "famous" or "important". It means something more like "a topic that ought to be covered on its own in an encyclopedia article". This can get complicated, and there are many essays about the concept of notability on Wikipedia, but the most important part is pretty simple: in general, only items with significant coverage in reliable sources can be subjects of Wikipedia articles. I would be surprised to find that either of these streets met those requirements. -- asilvering ( talk) 03:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- It also has gas stations and stuff. Most on-road level railroad crossings were changed into bridge crossings as well, but this one is still remaining.
Wiokipedia (
talk)
14:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- There is probably around 1000 gas stations in Toronto, they do not impart any notability. What imparts notability is significance. Horner is not a significant road in the overall picture of Toronto, Etobicoke, or even Mimico. - Floydian τ ¢ 00:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- It also has gas stations and stuff. Most on-road level railroad crossings were changed into bridge crossings as well, but this one is still remaining.
Wiokipedia (
talk)
14:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Just discussing this contested deletion is getting my "edit amount" way too high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 14:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This road fails WP:GEOROAD because it is not "the subject of multiple published secondary sources which contain significant coverage and are reliable and independent of the subject." Cullen328 ( talk) 17:23, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all of them per Cullen; the road itself is not well-written about in reliable sources, so we have nothing to use to write a good Wikipedia article about. Some roads are well written about. These here are not. -- Jayron 32 17:41, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. No sourced evidence of notability. "It also has gas stations and stuff" is not a reason to keep. Fails WP:GEOROAD. -- Kinu t/ c 18:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:GEOROAD. Not every single collector road in Toronto needs its own article. Johnny Au ( talk/ contributions) 01:45, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The creator of this set of articles has been blocked from editing the Article namespace for disruptive editing. -- Kinu t/ c 02:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Kinu t/ c 02:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which of the plethora of boards to apply to (which says something considering I've been here over 18 years), but I suggest a two-week to 1 month block. This editor very clearly has the best of intentions, and may just need some guidance. An indefinite block seems over the top here. - Floydian τ ¢ 02:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. It's snowing. Metaphorically and probably literally. Pile on not neede Star Mississippi 19:55, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
Horner Avenue
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- Horner Avenue ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
This article (and Evans Avenue, which I will be bundling shortly to this AfD) were created by a new editor (please be gentle). We have had discussions, but ultimately I have not been able to successfully explain the need for reliable sources that support notability. Ultimately, though, these streets clearly have not met notability requirements. Singularity42 ( talk) 19:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I am also nominating the following related pages (for reasons indicated above):
- Evans Avenue ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Lonsdale Road (Toronto) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (Bundling casualdejekyll 16:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC))
- Comment I have subsequently proposed that newly created Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lonsdale Road (Toronto) be bundled to this AfD and would ask any reviewing administrator to review both AfDs at the same time. The remaining article of this series ( Westhead Road) is currently under an uncontested PROD at the time of this comment. Tag casualdejekyll. Singularity42 ( talk) 16:24, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Singularity42 ( talk) 19:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- apparently, these are arterial roads in Toronto which should be notable. As such why is Islington Avenue noted and created? I don't find that there are any notable statues there or something Wiokipedia ( talk) 19:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I believe this should be interpreted as a Keep !vote by the articles' creator.
Singularity42 (
talk)
19:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- what do you mean Wiokipedia ( talk) 19:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I believe this should be interpreted as a Keep !vote by the articles' creator.
Singularity42 (
talk)
19:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- apparently at the horner avenue page there is a reference that proves SOMETHING — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Wiokipedia (
talk •
contribs)
19:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
-
Islington Avenue does not have its own article. Putting that aside, the road's entry includes information from
reliable sources about the history of the street, the controversy over the naming of the street, and other information that supports the road's notability. More importantly, the fact that other articles exist is
is not a basis to ignore how policy applies to this article. The reference you mention is a Google Maps entry, which I have tried to explain prior to this AfD is not a
reliable source. Anyway, let's see what other editors say.
Singularity42 (
talk)
19:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- kipling avenue is a road in Toronto that is similar to Islington ave, just regular buildings there. And kipling avenue has an independent article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 19:22, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- I have seen one with my own eyes, maybe the case of the letters are different, but there should be an article about Islington ave in Toronto that has a title that's pronounced Islington avenue
Wiokipedia (
talk)
19:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- apparently Islington avenue was a redirect article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
-
Islington Avenue does not have its own article. Putting that aside, the road's entry includes information from
reliable sources about the history of the street, the controversy over the naming of the street, and other information that supports the road's notability. More importantly, the fact that other articles exist is
is not a basis to ignore how policy applies to this article. The reference you mention is a Google Maps entry, which I have tried to explain prior to this AfD is not a
reliable source. Anyway, let's see what other editors say.
Singularity42 (
talk)
19:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
I have added the TTC information and a reference for the information. Wiokipedia ( talk) 19:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- There is an article that links to horner avenue and I didn't create that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete a minor arterial road isn't likely notable. Toronto has hundreds of streets, can't all have an article. Yonge Street I can see having one. Oaktree b ( talk) 19:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the Toronto classification map to see how less arterial roads there are in Toronto Wiokipedia ( talk) 19:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
Thanks to whoever who improved the references on that page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment It exists, we need proof as to why it's notable. The sources don't add much beyond proving it exists.
Oaktree b (
talk)
20:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- it's notable because it's an arterial road. Wiokipedia ( talk) 20:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- also, the TTC has a route there, it IS notable.
- Comment Wiokipedia, please read WP:GEOROAD and WP:Notability. I keep trying but I don't think you understand what term means for Wikipedia inclusion/deletion policy. Singularity42 ( talk) 20:22, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- didn't I tell you that it's notable because there is a ttc route there? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Wiokipedia (
talk •
contribs)
20:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
- @ Wiokipedia, I don't see anything in WP:GEOROAD that suggests that having a transit route on a road makes it notable. "Notable" in Wikipedia terms doesn't mean "noteworthy" or "famous" or "important". It means something more like "a topic that ought to be covered on its own in an encyclopedia article". This can get complicated, and there are many essays about the concept of notability on Wikipedia, but the most important part is pretty simple: in general, only items with significant coverage in reliable sources can be subjects of Wikipedia articles. I would be surprised to find that either of these streets met those requirements. -- asilvering ( talk) 03:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- It also has gas stations and stuff. Most on-road level railroad crossings were changed into bridge crossings as well, but this one is still remaining.
Wiokipedia (
talk)
14:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- There is probably around 1000 gas stations in Toronto, they do not impart any notability. What imparts notability is significance. Horner is not a significant road in the overall picture of Toronto, Etobicoke, or even Mimico. - Floydian τ ¢ 00:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- It also has gas stations and stuff. Most on-road level railroad crossings were changed into bridge crossings as well, but this one is still remaining.
Wiokipedia (
talk)
14:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
Just discussing this contested deletion is getting my "edit amount" way too high. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiokipedia ( talk • contribs) 14:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This road fails WP:GEOROAD because it is not "the subject of multiple published secondary sources which contain significant coverage and are reliable and independent of the subject." Cullen328 ( talk) 17:23, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete all of them per Cullen; the road itself is not well-written about in reliable sources, so we have nothing to use to write a good Wikipedia article about. Some roads are well written about. These here are not. -- Jayron 32 17:41, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. No sourced evidence of notability. "It also has gas stations and stuff" is not a reason to keep. Fails WP:GEOROAD. -- Kinu t/ c 18:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:GEOROAD. Not every single collector road in Toronto needs its own article. Johnny Au ( talk/ contributions) 01:45, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Comment. The creator of this set of articles has been blocked from editing the Article namespace for disruptive editing. -- Kinu t/ c 02:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Kinu t/ c 02:15, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure which of the plethora of boards to apply to (which says something considering I've been here over 18 years), but I suggest a two-week to 1 month block. This editor very clearly has the best of intentions, and may just need some guidance. An indefinite block seems over the top here. - Floydian τ ¢ 02:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.