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The result was no consensus. DGG ( talk ) 04:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Holy Virgin Protection skete (Buena Vista Township)
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Can't find any in-depth sourcing from independent, reliable sources. Doesn't pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 18:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Holy Virgin Protection skete had such name only since 2015. Before that, it was a parish church. In 2007, the property of the parish became the object of legal proceedings. This was written in the media, including The Wall Street Journal [1], The Moscow Times [2], Kommersant [3], Novoye Russkoye Slovo [4] [5]. ~ Чръный человек ( talk) 05:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Delete I wasn't able to find any other source other than it's own website. Respectfully I do acknowledge the importance of religious communities, I do not think this passes WP:GNG. Randomeditor1000 ( talk) 19:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Until the fall of 2015, this skit was an ordinary parish church. ~ Чръный человек ( talk) 17:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
- this one provide with these sourses:
- Holley, David. "Russian Orthodox Church Ends 80-Year Split." Los Angeles Times 17 May 2007.
- Santana, Rebecca, "Russian Church Battles for Future in NJ." USA Today 5 September 2007
- Sataline, Suzanne, "Cold War Lingers At Russian Church In New Jersey: Orthodox Dissidents Defy New Union With Moscow, Fearing Putin's Spies." The Wall Street Journal 18 July 2007 ~ Чръный человек ( talk) 18:36, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
- Rename to more common name, Sviato-Pokrovskiy Russian Orthodox Church, and create redirect. Coverage includes: The Washington Post [ [6]], USA Today [ [7]] and The Wall Street Journal [ [8]] TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:14, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- These references do not have the article's subject as their focus. Being mentioned in passing does not fulfill
WP:GNG
Ifnord (
talk) 19:10, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- I feel the references have the "Sviato-Pokrovskiy Russian Orthodox Church" as the main focus... so the article's subject would have to be changed in addition to the title. I do agree that the "skete"/monastery aspect itself is not notable, but the church itself is. =
paul2520 (
talk) 19:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Per WP:GNG:
- I feel the references have the "Sviato-Pokrovskiy Russian Orthodox Church" as the main focus... so the article's subject would have to be changed in addition to the title. I do agree that the "skete"/monastery aspect itself is not notable, but the church itself is. =
paul2520 (
talk) 19:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- These references do not have the article's subject as their focus. Being mentioned in passing does not fulfill
WP:GNG
Ifnord (
talk) 19:10, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
- Keep - rename, as per
Timtempleton's
[unsigned]comment above. See this archive.is copy to avoid subscription/paywall for WSJ post. I feel the three articles should absolutely be referenced, the photo captioned, and a little cleanup. The three references establish an interesting notability as a Cold War-era church with an interesting story to be told. = paul2520 ( talk) 19:08, 19 October 2017 (UTC) - Delete, per nom, for failing WP:GNG. Ifnord ( talk) 19:13, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Keep Sourcing is sufficient to show notability. Unscintillating ( talk) 12:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - As per WP:SUSTAINED, there was some limited coverage of this establishment for a very brief period during 2007. Before and since: nada. Onel5969 TT me 13:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. DGG ( talk ) 04:24, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Holy Virgin Protection skete (Buena Vista Township)
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Can't find any in-depth sourcing from independent, reliable sources. Doesn't pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 18:53, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
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- Holy Virgin Protection skete had such name only since 2015. Before that, it was a parish church. In 2007, the property of the parish became the object of legal proceedings. This was written in the media, including The Wall Street Journal [1], The Moscow Times [2], Kommersant [3], Novoye Russkoye Slovo [4] [5]. ~ Чръный человек ( talk) 05:36, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Delete I wasn't able to find any other source other than it's own website. Respectfully I do acknowledge the importance of religious communities, I do not think this passes WP:GNG. Randomeditor1000 ( talk) 19:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
- Until the fall of 2015, this skit was an ordinary parish church. ~ Чръный человек ( talk) 17:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
- this one provide with these sourses:
- Holley, David. "Russian Orthodox Church Ends 80-Year Split." Los Angeles Times 17 May 2007.
- Santana, Rebecca, "Russian Church Battles for Future in NJ." USA Today 5 September 2007
- Sataline, Suzanne, "Cold War Lingers At Russian Church In New Jersey: Orthodox Dissidents Defy New Union With Moscow, Fearing Putin's Spies." The Wall Street Journal 18 July 2007 ~ Чръный человек ( talk) 18:36, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
- Rename to more common name, Sviato-Pokrovskiy Russian Orthodox Church, and create redirect. Coverage includes: The Washington Post [ [6]], USA Today [ [7]] and The Wall Street Journal [ [8]] TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:14, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- These references do not have the article's subject as their focus. Being mentioned in passing does not fulfill
WP:GNG
Ifnord (
talk) 19:10, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- I feel the references have the "Sviato-Pokrovskiy Russian Orthodox Church" as the main focus... so the article's subject would have to be changed in addition to the title. I do agree that the "skete"/monastery aspect itself is not notable, but the church itself is. =
paul2520 (
talk) 19:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Per WP:GNG:
- I feel the references have the "Sviato-Pokrovskiy Russian Orthodox Church" as the main focus... so the article's subject would have to be changed in addition to the title. I do agree that the "skete"/monastery aspect itself is not notable, but the church itself is. =
paul2520 (
talk) 19:38, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- These references do not have the article's subject as their focus. Being mentioned in passing does not fulfill
WP:GNG
Ifnord (
talk) 19:10, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.
- Keep - rename, as per
Timtempleton's
[unsigned]comment above. See this archive.is copy to avoid subscription/paywall for WSJ post. I feel the three articles should absolutely be referenced, the photo captioned, and a little cleanup. The three references establish an interesting notability as a Cold War-era church with an interesting story to be told. = paul2520 ( talk) 19:08, 19 October 2017 (UTC) - Delete, per nom, for failing WP:GNG. Ifnord ( talk) 19:13, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 21:44, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 21:44, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
- Keep Sourcing is sufficient to show notability. Unscintillating ( talk) 12:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
- Comment - As per WP:SUSTAINED, there was some limited coverage of this establishment for a very brief period during 2007. Before and since: nada. Onel5969 TT me 13:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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