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The result was delete. The consensus is that there is no evidence that this film meets the notability criteria, mainly due to the lack of sources about it. PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 16:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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Unreferenced article about a supposed internet-only short film - does not appear to be notable. The article is principally not about the film at all, rather it it is a WP:COATRACK about News Success Holding Group Corp, and their assertion that internet-only short films will drive their success. It reads like a press release and that is not surprising - half of the article is a direct quote from exactly that. RichardOSmith ( talk) 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- RichardOSmith, you could probably get away with speedy deletion tagging this as a promotional article. It's not entirely copyvio since the quotes are marked as quotes, however they do make up the bulk of the article and are somewhat lengthy, so it skirts a pretty dangerous line. In any case, I would probably say that this could redirect to the article for Alyssa Chia. She seems to be the most prominent person in this. However at the same time... I am concerned that this film was apparently not considered notable enough to add to Chia's Wikipedia article in WP ZH. I'm also performing a search using Google Translate (I do not speak/read Chinese) and I'm really not finding much of anything for this film in general. Pretty much all I'm finding is mentions of her in relation to her status as a fashion icon in China (and for wearing high heels during her pregnancy) - there isn't even really a whisper of coverage for the film, which is pretty telling. I have no reason to doubt that this film is fake (not the reason I'm mentioning this) but I think that this is likely just a random short film she made that never gained any attention - it happens quite frequently in show business, as you can have a known person star in a film yet never actually gain any attention. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:24, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Although... before we redirect at all it'd probably be a good idea to get someone from WP:CHINA to take a look for sources just to make sure. I don't think that it is a hoax (this editor doesn't seem to be affiliated with the company but rather seems to be a Chia fan), but given the dearth of sources (and the obvious barriers of using GT) I'd like to make sure that this film was actually made. It wouldn't be the first time someone has created an article based on a press release for a film that never happened or was never going to happen at all. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment: Apparently this film went into production in November 2014, and so is not unsourcable. I am sill trying to determine if we have enough to meet WP:NF for a separate article or if a redirect to its star Alyssa Chia is best. Schmidt, Michael Q. 08:46, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete as while this film has been released and can be watched, it has not received the requisite coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:NF. It shold be okay to mention in related articles, but not in an article of its own. Schmidt, Michael Q. 05:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- I can't watch the film in the link you posted, did you watch it? In fact, has anyone watched the film? I can't seem to find the release date and to me that's an indication that the film is not notable. Delete. (Though if you are an Alyssa Chia fan there are so many pages from her filmography that can be created.) Timmyshin ( talk) 05:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- No, I have no interest in watching the film about a woman and/or her high heel shoes, and while the lack of a release date for a foreign language released film (probably available through searches under its Mandarin name) is not automatically non-notable. It was the apparent lack of coverage which was my determining factor. Schmidt, Michael Q. 06:25, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. The consensus is that there is no evidence that this film meets the notability criteria, mainly due to the lack of sources about it. PhantomSteve/ talk| contribs\ 16:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- High Heels (2015 film) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Unreferenced article about a supposed internet-only short film - does not appear to be notable. The article is principally not about the film at all, rather it it is a WP:COATRACK about News Success Holding Group Corp, and their assertion that internet-only short films will drive their success. It reads like a press release and that is not surprising - half of the article is a direct quote from exactly that. RichardOSmith ( talk) 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
- RichardOSmith, you could probably get away with speedy deletion tagging this as a promotional article. It's not entirely copyvio since the quotes are marked as quotes, however they do make up the bulk of the article and are somewhat lengthy, so it skirts a pretty dangerous line. In any case, I would probably say that this could redirect to the article for Alyssa Chia. She seems to be the most prominent person in this. However at the same time... I am concerned that this film was apparently not considered notable enough to add to Chia's Wikipedia article in WP ZH. I'm also performing a search using Google Translate (I do not speak/read Chinese) and I'm really not finding much of anything for this film in general. Pretty much all I'm finding is mentions of her in relation to her status as a fashion icon in China (and for wearing high heels during her pregnancy) - there isn't even really a whisper of coverage for the film, which is pretty telling. I have no reason to doubt that this film is fake (not the reason I'm mentioning this) but I think that this is likely just a random short film she made that never gained any attention - it happens quite frequently in show business, as you can have a known person star in a film yet never actually gain any attention. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:24, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Although... before we redirect at all it'd probably be a good idea to get someone from WP:CHINA to take a look for sources just to make sure. I don't think that it is a hoax (this editor doesn't seem to be affiliated with the company but rather seems to be a Chia fan), but given the dearth of sources (and the obvious barriers of using GT) I'd like to make sure that this film was actually made. It wouldn't be the first time someone has created an article based on a press release for a film that never happened or was never going to happen at all. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:29, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 16:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 16:54, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
- director:(Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- actress:(Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- actor:(Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- actor:(Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- producer:(Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- production:(Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- Comment: Apparently this film went into production in November 2014, and so is not unsourcable. I am sill trying to determine if we have enough to meet WP:NF for a separate article or if a redirect to its star Alyssa Chia is best. Schmidt, Michael Q. 08:46, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
- Delete as while this film has been released and can be watched, it has not received the requisite coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:NF. It shold be okay to mention in related articles, but not in an article of its own. Schmidt, Michael Q. 05:07, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There have only been two editors contributing to the conversation; allow another cycle to see if others might weigh in. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 03:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC))
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 03:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Relisting comment: There have only been two editors contributing to the conversation; allow another cycle to see if others might weigh in. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 03:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC))
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 03:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- I can't watch the film in the link you posted, did you watch it? In fact, has anyone watched the film? I can't seem to find the release date and to me that's an indication that the film is not notable. Delete. (Though if you are an Alyssa Chia fan there are so many pages from her filmography that can be created.) Timmyshin ( talk) 05:23, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
- No, I have no interest in watching the film about a woman and/or her high heel shoes, and while the lack of a release date for a foreign language released film (probably available through searches under its Mandarin name) is not automatically non-notable. It was the apparent lack of coverage which was my determining factor. Schmidt, Michael Q. 06:25, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
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