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The result was Keep. This is a non-administator closure; per policy, such closures are subject to administrative review and may be reverted. That said, the subject's notability is clearly established, and an obvious consensus has been reached. Furthermore, this consensus is informed by a plentitude of sources and accurately reflects WP:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. North of Eden ( talk) 01:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- I am loath to change this to "speedy keep" following closure as keep, but reviewing admins should take note of these discussions: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Conflict with editors in RfC, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebastian Noack, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Castel. North of Eden ( talk) 03:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
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Notability not established. Sang at a non-notable event and with a non-notable group. Jcmcc ( Talk) 20:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Recorded Bach's Mass in B minor with Thomas Hengelbrock. Kindly withdraw this. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Can you provide a reliable secondary source for that claim? Jcmcc (
Talk)
21:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- It's in the article, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep, obviosly. Kindly consider next time to at least check how many links there are already for the subject, - would spare us time,-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- ps: important recording, added to table, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:56, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Can you provide a reliable secondary source for that claim? Jcmcc (
Talk)
21:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. AllMusic shows he has a considerable discography. A google books search reveals a multiplicity of sources where he is mentioned, including reviews of his performances. Unfortunately almost all of these are in snippet view and cannot be viewed in entirety. Also, it is likely there are many more German sources available on this subject than English language sources. In short, I believe he meets criteria 5 and 6 based on his discography alone, and could very well meet more with a bit of digging among German language publications and access to non-snippet views in the google books search. 4meter4 ( talk) 21:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. As User:4meter4 points out, there are many mentions in books. The discography is extensive. Apart from the cited source, others discuss the subject in some depth. [1] [2] The nominator has a history of proposing deletion before checking for notability. Of their deletion submissions from February to May this year, 6 were accepted and 7 rejected. Given the disruptive impact of unjustified AfD's, particularly on new editors, a ban on further AfD submissions by User:Jcmcc450 may be appropriate. Aymatth2 ( talk) 01:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- If this is a pattern at AFD for User:Jcmcc450 I agree with your concern. This is an obviously notable subject that a quick internet search would have made apparent to any editor. It's obvious that WP:BEFORE was not followed. I would suggest a temporary ban over a permanent one. Are you planning on bring this up at WP:ANI User:Aymatth2? 4meter4 ( talk) 01:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- @ 4meter4: Not yet. This can be taken as a warning to User:Jcmcc450. If there is no improvement, it can go to ANI. Aymatth2 ( talk) 11:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 03:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 03:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - Clearly WP:BEFORE was not followed. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 04:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per sources by 4meter4 and Aymatth2. Cavarrone 14:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Keep. This is a non-administator closure; per policy, such closures are subject to administrative review and may be reverted. That said, the subject's notability is clearly established, and an obvious consensus has been reached. Furthermore, this consensus is informed by a plentitude of sources and accurately reflects WP:Notability (music)#Criteria for musicians and ensembles. North of Eden ( talk) 01:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- I am loath to change this to "speedy keep" following closure as keep, but reviewing admins should take note of these discussions: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Conflict with editors in RfC, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebastian Noack, and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Castel. North of Eden ( talk) 03:16, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hermann Oswald ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Notability not established. Sang at a non-notable event and with a non-notable group. Jcmcc ( Talk) 20:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Recorded Bach's Mass in B minor with Thomas Hengelbrock. Kindly withdraw this. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:55, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Can you provide a reliable secondary source for that claim? Jcmcc (
Talk)
21:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- It's in the article, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep, obviosly. Kindly consider next time to at least check how many links there are already for the subject, - would spare us time,-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- ps: important recording, added to table, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:56, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Can you provide a reliable secondary source for that claim? Jcmcc (
Talk)
21:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. AllMusic shows he has a considerable discography. A google books search reveals a multiplicity of sources where he is mentioned, including reviews of his performances. Unfortunately almost all of these are in snippet view and cannot be viewed in entirety. Also, it is likely there are many more German sources available on this subject than English language sources. In short, I believe he meets criteria 5 and 6 based on his discography alone, and could very well meet more with a bit of digging among German language publications and access to non-snippet views in the google books search. 4meter4 ( talk) 21:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep. As User:4meter4 points out, there are many mentions in books. The discography is extensive. Apart from the cited source, others discuss the subject in some depth. [1] [2] The nominator has a history of proposing deletion before checking for notability. Of their deletion submissions from February to May this year, 6 were accepted and 7 rejected. Given the disruptive impact of unjustified AfD's, particularly on new editors, a ban on further AfD submissions by User:Jcmcc450 may be appropriate. Aymatth2 ( talk) 01:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- If this is a pattern at AFD for User:Jcmcc450 I agree with your concern. This is an obviously notable subject that a quick internet search would have made apparent to any editor. It's obvious that WP:BEFORE was not followed. I would suggest a temporary ban over a permanent one. Are you planning on bring this up at WP:ANI User:Aymatth2? 4meter4 ( talk) 01:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- @ 4meter4: Not yet. This can be taken as a warning to User:Jcmcc450. If there is no improvement, it can go to ANI. Aymatth2 ( talk) 11:33, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 03:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 03:32, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - Clearly WP:BEFORE was not followed. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 04:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- Keep per sources by 4meter4 and Aymatth2. Cavarrone 14:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.