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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 14:17, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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No evidence of independent notability outside of AKB48 and SDN48, neither of which she now appears to be a member of. The article basically consists of a list of singles and events in which she participated - all sourced to Studio48.net pages, which are fan-edited and wiki-based. No biographical details and no in-depth third-party coverage, so this does not pass WP:GNG. DAJF ( talk) 09:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 14:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 14:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as I would've suggested moving to one of the band articles but, obviously since she's not part of any of those, there's unlikely solid chances of that and this is vulnerable to being restored again so, with no better convincing signs for the applicable entertainers notability, delete at best. SwisterTwister talk 23:49, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Keep: I don't think she loses the notability just because she is not a member of the popular band. I don't really follow the band, but it seems she was popular when she was a member. She might be less so now but in Wikipedia, a person cannot lose notability after she retires or (god forbid) dies. We don't delete the article after the subject of the article is dead even though there will be no new reliable sources. Yes, the article should have more just lists, but that's not an argument for the deletion. -- Taku ( talk) 04:07, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - She's actually been on a number of radio programs and television variety shows as a guest (most guest spots are cannon fodder really) and for the last three years she's had a decent run playing the titular character in Anne of Green Gables on a stage production [1] but there is nothing to suggest she meets the requirements of WP:N. She's not in the spotlight for much. Jun Kayama 07:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. She clearly meets at least WP:MUSICBIO #6 ("is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles"). -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 16:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 17:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 17:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- A Google News search [2] shows many news articles about her (25 at least). I think she passes WP:GNG. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 19:50, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - Calling most of those links "news" is a bit much. Reading through them, most are name drops of stage productions she's been cast in, or a few photobooks events she's held. Considering the tags mostly consist of this type of content [3] does she really qualify for WP:N? She doesn't have an independent music career, she's not on Japanese TV, she does stage productions which would have difficulty meriting their own articles on Japanese Wikipedia and if it's not photobooks, it's puff pieces like this in Sponichi [4] which are not carried elsewhere. Jun Kayama 17:30, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: A JaWiki user gave news:
- "Searched by Google News. After AKB48,
One Anime news site reported , In this year, she was acting as 'EIKO' on the stage of Pripara. And another news site said she appears on fishing TV program in 2013." - ja:利用者‐会話:Strangesnow
- Comment - Subject is not even in the main cast line, but in the bottom as a minor supporting character for
stage of Pripara. Fishing program?
[5] talks about her having a DVD shoot for a グラビア in Hawaii, not a fishing program. Every single young female
tarento in Japan has a turn at being a
gravure idol and getting coverage for it, which hardly qualifies all of them as
WP:N.
Jun Kayama
14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- "Every single young female tarento in Japan" doesn't get articles about her published in major press outlets. She does. She passes WP:GNG. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 23:30, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - While she may meet one of the Musicbio criteria, that only means that she may be notable. Based on the totality of the sourcing available, she does not meet
WP:GNG.
Onel5969
TT me
13:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Did you look at any of the news articles about her that pop up in a Google News search? It doesn't look like you did. For example, why isn't this "significant coverage that addresses the topic directly and in detail"? It is. Just as required by WP:GNG. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 14:08, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 14:17, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Haruka Kohara ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
No evidence of independent notability outside of AKB48 and SDN48, neither of which she now appears to be a member of. The article basically consists of a list of singles and events in which she participated - all sourced to Studio48.net pages, which are fan-edited and wiki-based. No biographical details and no in-depth third-party coverage, so this does not pass WP:GNG. DAJF ( talk) 09:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 14:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 14:14, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as I would've suggested moving to one of the band articles but, obviously since she's not part of any of those, there's unlikely solid chances of that and this is vulnerable to being restored again so, with no better convincing signs for the applicable entertainers notability, delete at best. SwisterTwister talk 23:49, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
- Keep: I don't think she loses the notability just because she is not a member of the popular band. I don't really follow the band, but it seems she was popular when she was a member. She might be less so now but in Wikipedia, a person cannot lose notability after she retires or (god forbid) dies. We don't delete the article after the subject of the article is dead even though there will be no new reliable sources. Yes, the article should have more just lists, but that's not an argument for the deletion. -- Taku ( talk) 04:07, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - She's actually been on a number of radio programs and television variety shows as a guest (most guest spots are cannon fodder really) and for the last three years she's had a decent run playing the titular character in Anne of Green Gables on a stage production [1] but there is nothing to suggest she meets the requirements of WP:N. She's not in the spotlight for much. Jun Kayama 07:03, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. She clearly meets at least WP:MUSICBIO #6 ("is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles"). -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 16:45, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 17:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 17:18, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- A Google News search [2] shows many news articles about her (25 at least). I think she passes WP:GNG. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 19:50, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - Calling most of those links "news" is a bit much. Reading through them, most are name drops of stage productions she's been cast in, or a few photobooks events she's held. Considering the tags mostly consist of this type of content [3] does she really qualify for WP:N? She doesn't have an independent music career, she's not on Japanese TV, she does stage productions which would have difficulty meriting their own articles on Japanese Wikipedia and if it's not photobooks, it's puff pieces like this in Sponichi [4] which are not carried elsewhere. Jun Kayama 17:30, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: A JaWiki user gave news:
- "Searched by Google News. After AKB48,
One Anime news site reported , In this year, she was acting as 'EIKO' on the stage of Pripara. And another news site said she appears on fishing TV program in 2013." - ja:利用者‐会話:Strangesnow
- Comment - Subject is not even in the main cast line, but in the bottom as a minor supporting character for
stage of Pripara. Fishing program?
[5] talks about her having a DVD shoot for a グラビア in Hawaii, not a fishing program. Every single young female
tarento in Japan has a turn at being a
gravure idol and getting coverage for it, which hardly qualifies all of them as
WP:N.
Jun Kayama
14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
- "Every single young female tarento in Japan" doesn't get articles about her published in major press outlets. She does. She passes WP:GNG. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 23:30, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:07, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - While she may meet one of the Musicbio criteria, that only means that she may be notable. Based on the totality of the sourcing available, she does not meet
WP:GNG.
Onel5969
TT me
13:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- Did you look at any of the news articles about her that pop up in a Google News search? It doesn't look like you did. For example, why isn't this "significant coverage that addresses the topic directly and in detail"? It is. Just as required by WP:GNG. -- Moscow Connection ( talk) 14:08, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.