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The result was delete. Rlendog ( talk) 20:25, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Harold Cox (footballer)
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Subject fails WP:NFOOTY, the soccer-specific notability guideline, because he neither played for nor managed a club in a fully professional league. There's no evidence of enough independent significant coverage to pass the general notability guideline. Struway2 ( talk) 11:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played or managed senior international football nor played or managed in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 12:02, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 07:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - The article concentrates on his non-league managerial career. However this obituary
[1] states that he played for Birmingham City early in his career, which if true could change things. Problem is, we're talking about the late 1940s here so online references are non-existent other than obituaries.
Neiltonks (
talk) 11:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- (ec with comment below) He doesn't appear on
List of Birmingham City F.C. players or either of its sublists. He isn't listed on
Neil Brown's site or on
Barry Hugman's website which lists all post-WW2 EFL/PL players. All this would point to his never having played first team football for the Blues. @
Struway2: will probably be able to shed some more light..... --
ChrisTheDude (
talk) 12:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- According to Tony Matthews' Complete Record books, no Harold Cox played first-team football for Birmingham. This page shows all Jimmy Scoular's Newcastle appearances. He played 9 times against Birmingham, all of which were League matches, and I checked the lineups for those matches individually in the Matthews books to see if he had appeared but had for some reason been omitted from the overall lists; he hadn't. I can only assume that, assuming he was remembering the encounter correctly, it must have been a reserve game. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- (ec with comment below) He doesn't appear on
List of Birmingham City F.C. players or either of its sublists. He isn't listed on
Neil Brown's site or on
Barry Hugman's website which lists all post-WW2 EFL/PL players. All this would point to his never having played first team football for the Blues. @
Struway2: will probably be able to shed some more light..... --
ChrisTheDude (
talk) 12:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NFOOTY. @ Neiltonks: If he had played for Birmingham's first team, he would be listed here or on this website – however, he isn't, so the match mentioned in the obituary was probably be a reserve team game (and it wasn't a cup game as Birmingham didn't play Newcastle in a cup until 1973–74). Number 5 7 12:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:43, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 11:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Rlendog ( talk) 20:25, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
Harold Cox (footballer)
- Harold Cox (footballer) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Subject fails WP:NFOOTY, the soccer-specific notability guideline, because he neither played for nor managed a club in a fully professional league. There's no evidence of enough independent significant coverage to pass the general notability guideline. Struway2 ( talk) 11:15, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Struway2 ( talk) 11:17, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played or managed senior international football nor played or managed in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down ( talk) 12:02, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 13:27, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 13:27, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 13:27, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 07:11, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - The article concentrates on his non-league managerial career. However this obituary
[1] states that he played for Birmingham City early in his career, which if true could change things. Problem is, we're talking about the late 1940s here so online references are non-existent other than obituaries.
Neiltonks (
talk) 11:37, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- (ec with comment below) He doesn't appear on
List of Birmingham City F.C. players or either of its sublists. He isn't listed on
Neil Brown's site or on
Barry Hugman's website which lists all post-WW2 EFL/PL players. All this would point to his never having played first team football for the Blues. @
Struway2: will probably be able to shed some more light..... --
ChrisTheDude (
talk) 12:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- According to Tony Matthews' Complete Record books, no Harold Cox played first-team football for Birmingham. This page shows all Jimmy Scoular's Newcastle appearances. He played 9 times against Birmingham, all of which were League matches, and I checked the lineups for those matches individually in the Matthews books to see if he had appeared but had for some reason been omitted from the overall lists; he hadn't. I can only assume that, assuming he was remembering the encounter correctly, it must have been a reserve game. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 17:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
- (ec with comment below) He doesn't appear on
List of Birmingham City F.C. players or either of its sublists. He isn't listed on
Neil Brown's site or on
Barry Hugman's website which lists all post-WW2 EFL/PL players. All this would point to his never having played first team football for the Blues. @
Struway2: will probably be able to shed some more light..... --
ChrisTheDude (
talk) 12:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NFOOTY. @ Neiltonks: If he had played for Birmingham's first team, he would be listed here or on this website – however, he isn't, so the match mentioned in the obituary was probably be a reserve team game (and it wasn't a cup game as Birmingham didn't play Newcastle in a cup until 1973–74). Number 5 7 12:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 07:43, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 11:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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