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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 01:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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Non-notable railroad siding. Appears to be a duplicate of Halcrow station, a flag stop along the railroad which is literally just a post along the tracks and is also up for deletion. – dlthewave ☎ 23:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. – dlthewave ☎ 23:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:10, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per my analysis of this and numerous other "stations" and "towns" at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Silcox station#Other flag stop "stations" on the Hudson Bay Railway to consider for redirects. Satellite images of each location show nothing there.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 04:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Although unincorporated, it is a legally recognized area. The buildings are all around the intersection with Provincial Rd. 267, both east & west. If you look carefully at the satellite images you can see the access road from the intersection to the station winding through the trees just north of the railroad. Yes the road is obscured by the trees, but is ascertainable. Halcrow certain does verify, see citations. For notability see
WP:Notability (geographic features)#Settlements and administrative regions. --
Bejnar (
talk)
16:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- @ Bejnar, I looked closely at the features on Manitoba 267 previously and I didn't see any structures - just borrow pits from some highway projects. There is a winter road that runs parallel to the railroad when cutting through wilderness. I looked at satellite images of the railroad mile by mile for 100s of km and I almost always saw the road. I assume it's an ice road; there were no bridges and it didn't stop at lakes -- it went straight through them. Every so often, the winter road was connected back to the railroad tracks. My guess is that it's there for maintenance and emergencies. Images: [1] [2]
- Can you elaborate on the legal recognition issue? I searched Statistics Canada for "Halcrow" and found nothing. The Association of Manitoba Municipalities doesn't list Halcrow. The Manitoba historic sites map has nothing in the area.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 18:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Bejnar, I'm not sure that I follow. Halcrow is a railroad siding/flag stop according to sources cited in the article. Are you saying that the buildings (gravel pits?) that you see in the satellite view, a mile away along the highway, somehow contribute to its notability? – dlthewave ☎ 20:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- "Halcrow 12-60-22-W Manitoba Railway Point Official" footnote #1
here And yes to second question. --
Bejnar (
talk)
16:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, that tells us that it's a "railway point". Since we don't have significant coverage to meet GNG, what SNG are you using to establish notability? – dlthewave ☎ 16:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- "Halcrow 12-60-22-W Manitoba Railway Point Official" footnote #1
here And yes to second question. --
Bejnar (
talk)
16:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- The borrow pit is off the highway and was used for the highway. It's connected to the highway. The railroad was built about a century ago and they hauled in gravel. That pit is clearly not a century old. Also, a hole is not a town, anyway. Not in Manitoba.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 17:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Contrast the search for Halcrow with a search for "Pikwitonei", a place further down the line; Pikwitonei's actually got 55 souls. It's identified as a "Northern Community". Halcrow is identified as a "Railway Point". Specifically, Via Rail says it's a signpost.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 17:17, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liamyangll ( talk to me!) 23:38, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Weak delete There is a golf course that uses the name "Halcrow", but the only other sources that use the name are maps (which do not provide notability under SNG). P,TO 19104 ( talk) ( contribs) 22:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Halcrow Lake Golf & Country Club is in The Pas, 30 miles away. – dlthewave ☎ 01:25, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- delete All of the pseudo-places along the Churchill rail line need to go. None of them are testified to as towns in any source. Mangoe ( talk) 03:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Star Mississippi 01:59, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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- Halcrow, Manitoba ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non-notable railroad siding. Appears to be a duplicate of Halcrow station, a flag stop along the railroad which is literally just a post along the tracks and is also up for deletion. – dlthewave ☎ 23:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. – dlthewave ☎ 23:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:10, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per my analysis of this and numerous other "stations" and "towns" at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Silcox station#Other flag stop "stations" on the Hudson Bay Railway to consider for redirects. Satellite images of each location show nothing there.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 04:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Although unincorporated, it is a legally recognized area. The buildings are all around the intersection with Provincial Rd. 267, both east & west. If you look carefully at the satellite images you can see the access road from the intersection to the station winding through the trees just north of the railroad. Yes the road is obscured by the trees, but is ascertainable. Halcrow certain does verify, see citations. For notability see
WP:Notability (geographic features)#Settlements and administrative regions. --
Bejnar (
talk)
16:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- @ Bejnar, I looked closely at the features on Manitoba 267 previously and I didn't see any structures - just borrow pits from some highway projects. There is a winter road that runs parallel to the railroad when cutting through wilderness. I looked at satellite images of the railroad mile by mile for 100s of km and I almost always saw the road. I assume it's an ice road; there were no bridges and it didn't stop at lakes -- it went straight through them. Every so often, the winter road was connected back to the railroad tracks. My guess is that it's there for maintenance and emergencies. Images: [1] [2]
- Can you elaborate on the legal recognition issue? I searched Statistics Canada for "Halcrow" and found nothing. The Association of Manitoba Municipalities doesn't list Halcrow. The Manitoba historic sites map has nothing in the area.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 18:21, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- Bejnar, I'm not sure that I follow. Halcrow is a railroad siding/flag stop according to sources cited in the article. Are you saying that the buildings (gravel pits?) that you see in the satellite view, a mile away along the highway, somehow contribute to its notability? – dlthewave ☎ 20:02, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
- "Halcrow 12-60-22-W Manitoba Railway Point Official" footnote #1
here And yes to second question. --
Bejnar (
talk)
16:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, that tells us that it's a "railway point". Since we don't have significant coverage to meet GNG, what SNG are you using to establish notability? – dlthewave ☎ 16:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- "Halcrow 12-60-22-W Manitoba Railway Point Official" footnote #1
here And yes to second question. --
Bejnar (
talk)
16:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- The borrow pit is off the highway and was used for the highway. It's connected to the highway. The railroad was built about a century ago and they hauled in gravel. That pit is clearly not a century old. Also, a hole is not a town, anyway. Not in Manitoba.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 17:07, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Contrast the search for Halcrow with a search for "Pikwitonei", a place further down the line; Pikwitonei's actually got 55 souls. It's identified as a "Northern Community". Halcrow is identified as a "Railway Point". Specifically, Via Rail says it's a signpost.
- -- A. B. ( talk • contribs • global count) 17:17, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liamyangll ( talk to me!) 23:38, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Weak delete There is a golf course that uses the name "Halcrow", but the only other sources that use the name are maps (which do not provide notability under SNG). P,TO 19104 ( talk) ( contribs) 22:30, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
- Halcrow Lake Golf & Country Club is in The Pas, 30 miles away. – dlthewave ☎ 01:25, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- delete All of the pseudo-places along the Churchill rail line need to go. None of them are testified to as towns in any source. Mangoe ( talk) 03:01, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.