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The result was no consensus. There is no consensus on whether there is significant coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Davewild ( talk) 18:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Greg Tagert
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Non notable manager in the Frontier League. Spanneraol ( talk) 04:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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- Weak keep There are a few things here with this article: it doesn't use great sources, it doesn't meet WP:BASE/N, and most independent minor league people don't warrant Wikipedia articles. That being said, there are good, independent, and reliable sources in which Tagert is the main focus ( here and here most notably). He was also honored by the Indiana House of Representatives for winning the Northern League championship and being voted the Manager of the Year in 2007. There are plenty of other sources on the internet as well. The article is poorly sourced, but there may be enough online to warrant keeping this article even if it doesn't necessarily meet WP:BASE/N. Gargleafg ( talk) 04:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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Keep Sources are reliable, not all, but majority are.
SilverSurfingSerpant (
talk) 22:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC) SilverSurfingSerpant blocked for sock-puppetry.
Dirtlawyer1 (
talk) 02:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete the sources provided above are insufficient to demonstrate notability. Two articles, the second of which is not really about Tagert, and one brief acknowledgement by some state representatives is not nearly enough to pass GNG. Mellowed Fillmore ( talk) 03:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- It appears that Mellowed has been blocked indef, is no longer an editor in good standing, and that therefore his !vote does not count. Epeefleche ( talk) 03:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Nonsense. You just invented this "policy" out of thin air. - Bbny-wiki-editor ( talk) 16:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - Among the sources linked in the article, only one approaches being "significant" as required by the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG. Most of the sources are team or league websites which are not independent of the subject and are therefore not counted for purposes of determining notability. The resolution by the Indiana House of Representatives mentioned above is neither independent of the subject (it was the body that granted the honor) nor does the legislature's journal constitute a secondary source (it's primary). Therefore, subject fails to satisfy the general notability guidelines.
Dirtlawyer1 (
talk) 03:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Again, I'd like to reiterate that my reasoning for keeping this article is based on the sources available on the internet regarding the subject (not the sources actually used in the article). There are likely hundreds of independent articles from secondary sources that refer to Greg Tagert online; I just haven't had the time to parse through each one to find the best. If the only sources available were the ones used in the Wikipedia article and the ones I've linked to, this would be an easy delete. As it stands, he's shown up in numerous sources, which seems to be enough to pass
WP:GNG in my estimation. The reason I voted for a "weak keep" was because I wasn't sure if those hundreds of sources in which Tagert appears include only passing mentions.
Gargleafg (
talk) 03:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps you could point out some of these great sources you mention... I can't find any other than what Bbny remarks on below. Spanneraol ( talk) 16:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Again, I'd like to reiterate that my reasoning for keeping this article is based on the sources available on the internet regarding the subject (not the sources actually used in the article). There are likely hundreds of independent articles from secondary sources that refer to Greg Tagert online; I just haven't had the time to parse through each one to find the best. If the only sources available were the ones used in the Wikipedia article and the ones I've linked to, this would be an easy delete. As it stands, he's shown up in numerous sources, which seems to be enough to pass
WP:GNG in my estimation. The reason I voted for a "weak keep" was because I wasn't sure if those hundreds of sources in which Tagert appears include only passing mentions.
Gargleafg (
talk) 03:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Meets GNG. It's irrelevant if refs in the article are not sufficient to meet GNG. They needn't be. As Gargle points out, they needs merely exist. Which as indicated above, and by google searches, is the case. Though not resoundingly, there is sufficient appropriate coverage to meet GNG. Epeefleche ( talk) 07:38, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Delete Fails GNG. Sources are just routine mentions of a manager being hired by low-level baseball teams or the routine coverage/mentions that those types of managers receive. - Bbny-wiki-editor ( talk) 16:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Weak keep - I would like to see more of the "many other sources" Gargleafg mentions, but his first source (the nwtimes) article seems to be a good source providing significant coverage and I also found this, which also provides significant coverage of Tagert. Plus there is also this article, which has sections about others besides Tagert, and at least some but certainly not all of the others are probably not notable, but which does provide a statement about Tagert being "one of the most successful managers in Frotier League history," also raising him above "run of the mill." Rlendog ( talk) 21:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know if being a successful Frontier League manager really makes one notable...
Spanneraol (
talk) 21:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Span -- I don't know either. It is though, I note, a notable league, by Wikipedia standards. And Rlendog's quote is not that he was "successful". But rather "one of the most successful ... in Frontier League history." Epeefleche ( talk) 21:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. There is no consensus on whether there is significant coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Davewild ( talk) 18:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Greg Tagert
- Greg Tagert ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Non notable manager in the Frontier League. Spanneraol ( talk) 04:04, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Spanneraol ( talk) 04:05, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- Weak keep There are a few things here with this article: it doesn't use great sources, it doesn't meet WP:BASE/N, and most independent minor league people don't warrant Wikipedia articles. That being said, there are good, independent, and reliable sources in which Tagert is the main focus ( here and here most notably). He was also honored by the Indiana House of Representatives for winning the Northern League championship and being voted the Manager of the Year in 2007. There are plenty of other sources on the internet as well. The article is poorly sourced, but there may be enough online to warrant keeping this article even if it doesn't necessarily meet WP:BASE/N. Gargleafg ( talk) 04:58, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
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Keep Sources are reliable, not all, but majority are.
SilverSurfingSerpant (
talk) 22:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC) SilverSurfingSerpant blocked for sock-puppetry.
Dirtlawyer1 (
talk) 02:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete the sources provided above are insufficient to demonstrate notability. Two articles, the second of which is not really about Tagert, and one brief acknowledgement by some state representatives is not nearly enough to pass GNG. Mellowed Fillmore ( talk) 03:38, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
- It appears that Mellowed has been blocked indef, is no longer an editor in good standing, and that therefore his !vote does not count. Epeefleche ( talk) 03:06, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Nonsense. You just invented this "policy" out of thin air. - Bbny-wiki-editor ( talk) 16:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - Among the sources linked in the article, only one approaches being "significant" as required by the general notability guidelines per WP:GNG. Most of the sources are team or league websites which are not independent of the subject and are therefore not counted for purposes of determining notability. The resolution by the Indiana House of Representatives mentioned above is neither independent of the subject (it was the body that granted the honor) nor does the legislature's journal constitute a secondary source (it's primary). Therefore, subject fails to satisfy the general notability guidelines.
Dirtlawyer1 (
talk) 03:07, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Again, I'd like to reiterate that my reasoning for keeping this article is based on the sources available on the internet regarding the subject (not the sources actually used in the article). There are likely hundreds of independent articles from secondary sources that refer to Greg Tagert online; I just haven't had the time to parse through each one to find the best. If the only sources available were the ones used in the Wikipedia article and the ones I've linked to, this would be an easy delete. As it stands, he's shown up in numerous sources, which seems to be enough to pass
WP:GNG in my estimation. The reason I voted for a "weak keep" was because I wasn't sure if those hundreds of sources in which Tagert appears include only passing mentions.
Gargleafg (
talk) 03:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps you could point out some of these great sources you mention... I can't find any other than what Bbny remarks on below. Spanneraol ( talk) 16:34, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Comment Again, I'd like to reiterate that my reasoning for keeping this article is based on the sources available on the internet regarding the subject (not the sources actually used in the article). There are likely hundreds of independent articles from secondary sources that refer to Greg Tagert online; I just haven't had the time to parse through each one to find the best. If the only sources available were the ones used in the Wikipedia article and the ones I've linked to, this would be an easy delete. As it stands, he's shown up in numerous sources, which seems to be enough to pass
WP:GNG in my estimation. The reason I voted for a "weak keep" was because I wasn't sure if those hundreds of sources in which Tagert appears include only passing mentions.
Gargleafg (
talk) 03:27, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 03:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Meets GNG. It's irrelevant if refs in the article are not sufficient to meet GNG. They needn't be. As Gargle points out, they needs merely exist. Which as indicated above, and by google searches, is the case. Though not resoundingly, there is sufficient appropriate coverage to meet GNG. Epeefleche ( talk) 07:38, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Delete Fails GNG. Sources are just routine mentions of a manager being hired by low-level baseball teams or the routine coverage/mentions that those types of managers receive. - Bbny-wiki-editor ( talk) 16:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Weak keep - I would like to see more of the "many other sources" Gargleafg mentions, but his first source (the nwtimes) article seems to be a good source providing significant coverage and I also found this, which also provides significant coverage of Tagert. Plus there is also this article, which has sections about others besides Tagert, and at least some but certainly not all of the others are probably not notable, but which does provide a statement about Tagert being "one of the most successful managers in Frotier League history," also raising him above "run of the mill." Rlendog ( talk) 21:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know if being a successful Frontier League manager really makes one notable...
Spanneraol (
talk) 21:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- @Span -- I don't know either. It is though, I note, a notable league, by Wikipedia standards. And Rlendog's quote is not that he was "successful". But rather "one of the most successful ... in Frontier League history." Epeefleche ( talk) 21:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
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