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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Grebe Lake (Alaska) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
The Kenai National Wildlife Refuge contains dozens of lakes. A few of them are notable, being large and accessible. These lakes are neither of those things, they are in a swampy muskeg area off the road system dotted with numerous tiny lakes. There is little to say about them other than that they exist, which is all these articles do say. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:37, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that a total of three articles are nominated for deletion herein.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:46, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Note that a total of three articles are nominated for deletion herein.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:46, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Just curious but what are the notability guidelines for lakes? As I know with human settlements we have thousands of unsourced articles about some Polish village with only 300 residents and it's considered "notable", so I had assumed that this is also the case for other geographic phenomena. -- Donald Trung ( Talk) ( Articles) 05:56, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- I looked but was unable to locate a lake-specific notability guideline. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:44, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Speedy Keep all. Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Lakes are "notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc." Plenty of sources exist for all three. One has a state recreation site. Another has a nearby airport named after it. These are not minor or disputed features but substantial geographic areas. Clearly notable. FloridaArmy ( talk) 10:32, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy keep? really? Could you produce some evidence to back up literally any of the claims you have just made? (even then WP:SK wouldn’t apply, but it’d be something anyway) In particular, I’m unclear on how one of these remote lakes already inside a protected area has it’s own state rec site? Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:47, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I looked myself, you need to refine your search parameters. Grebe Lake airstrip is a private runway that is a few hundred miles from KNWR, on the other side of Wasilla. And Moon Lake State Rec Area is even further away, near Tok, closer to Canada than to KNWR. There are tens of thousands of tiny lakes in Alaska, and names get repeated. This discussion is about the three lakes by these names inside KNWR, which is on the Kenai Peninsula. None of them are on the road system at all, let alone have their own airport. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:55, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete fails NGEO by the quote provided above. Nothing seems to exist other than coordinates. Primefac ( talk) 14:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- Does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) as no independent coverage appears to exist. K.e.coffman ( talk) 01:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete- not enough information is available on these lakes to come anywhere near establishing notability.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 18:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Is there a suitable Merge candidate, possibly a list of lakes in the area? SportingFlyer ( talk) 19:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Don’t think so. Again, there are dozens of tiny lakes in this area. There are over three million lakes in Alaska as a whole, listing them all would be madness. Even listing the named ones would be over three thousand entries. Have a look at this map for an idea of what this area is like. Beeblebrox ( talk) 19:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Given that map and the fact Alaska is a vast wilderness, it would be insanity to create a list of every lake in the state. According to WP:GEOLAND, "Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist." If a lake is notable 9 times out of 10, this is one of those cases where it is not, there is no evidence that any other information other than the location of these lakes exists.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 01:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - these more or less all fail WP:V. Moon Lake, in particular, is odd as the most famous Moon Lake in Alaska has an epinomynous State recreation area near Tok [1]. That one is listed at List of Alaska state parks, and a redirect to that list is possible. But there is no reason not to delete the current page, as it refers to a different Moon Lake. Smmurphy( Talk) 21:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Grebe Lake (Alaska) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
The Kenai National Wildlife Refuge contains dozens of lakes. A few of them are notable, being large and accessible. These lakes are neither of those things, they are in a swampy muskeg area off the road system dotted with numerous tiny lakes. There is little to say about them other than that they exist, which is all these articles do say. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alaska-related deletion discussions. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:34, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:37, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that a total of three articles are nominated for deletion herein.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:46, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Note that a total of three articles are nominated for deletion herein.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 04:46, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Just curious but what are the notability guidelines for lakes? As I know with human settlements we have thousands of unsourced articles about some Polish village with only 300 residents and it's considered "notable", so I had assumed that this is also the case for other geographic phenomena. -- Donald Trung ( Talk) ( Articles) 05:56, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- I looked but was unable to locate a lake-specific notability guideline. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:44, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Speedy Keep all. Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Lakes are "notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc." Plenty of sources exist for all three. One has a state recreation site. Another has a nearby airport named after it. These are not minor or disputed features but substantial geographic areas. Clearly notable. FloridaArmy ( talk) 10:32, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Speedy keep? really? Could you produce some evidence to back up literally any of the claims you have just made? (even then WP:SK wouldn’t apply, but it’d be something anyway) In particular, I’m unclear on how one of these remote lakes already inside a protected area has it’s own state rec site? Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:47, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, I looked myself, you need to refine your search parameters. Grebe Lake airstrip is a private runway that is a few hundred miles from KNWR, on the other side of Wasilla. And Moon Lake State Rec Area is even further away, near Tok, closer to Canada than to KNWR. There are tens of thousands of tiny lakes in Alaska, and names get repeated. This discussion is about the three lakes by these names inside KNWR, which is on the Kenai Peninsula. None of them are on the road system at all, let alone have their own airport. Beeblebrox ( talk) 22:55, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete fails NGEO by the quote provided above. Nothing seems to exist other than coordinates. Primefac ( talk) 14:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- Does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features) as no independent coverage appears to exist. K.e.coffman ( talk) 01:42, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete- not enough information is available on these lakes to come anywhere near establishing notability.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 18:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Is there a suitable Merge candidate, possibly a list of lakes in the area? SportingFlyer ( talk) 19:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Don’t think so. Again, there are dozens of tiny lakes in this area. There are over three million lakes in Alaska as a whole, listing them all would be madness. Even listing the named ones would be over three thousand entries. Have a look at this map for an idea of what this area is like. Beeblebrox ( talk) 19:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Given that map and the fact Alaska is a vast wilderness, it would be insanity to create a list of every lake in the state. According to WP:GEOLAND, "Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist." If a lake is notable 9 times out of 10, this is one of those cases where it is not, there is no evidence that any other information other than the location of these lakes exists.-- Rusf10 ( talk) 01:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - these more or less all fail WP:V. Moon Lake, in particular, is odd as the most famous Moon Lake in Alaska has an epinomynous State recreation area near Tok [1]. That one is listed at List of Alaska state parks, and a redirect to that list is possible. But there is no reason not to delete the current page, as it refers to a different Moon Lake. Smmurphy( Talk) 21:39, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.