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The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 03:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Grandview Lake, Indiana
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A large development with its own lake, the history of which is outlined on their website. I did find a bunch of reports about their septic system, but other than that it's all real estate and gazetteers. Mangoe ( talk) 04:51, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Madeline ( part of me) 12:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Mangoe ( talk) 15:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Coverage consists mainly of real estate notices and advertisements, does not meet GEOLAND or GNG. –
dlthewave
☎
13:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Which coverage? Where? In the article? Which references are you referring to, because none of what you've mention appears in the article...so that doesn't appear to be valid argument.
Djflem (
talk)
15:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Newspapers.com shows page after page of legal notices and occasional advertisements
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4], and the two potential SIGCOV sources in the article
[5]
[6] aren't independent of the subject. I'm not convinced that this meets GEOLAND either. "Town" has various meanings in different states, and in this case it seems to describe a plot of land that has been divided into lots for sale similar to a subdivision. –
dlthewave
☎
03:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- One would expect real estate ads/legal notices for any/all of the thousands of places of in the USA, wouldn't one?. Unclear what the point is, since that's normal and certainly not disqualifying. Indiana statues certainly make a distinction between towns and subdivisons (which in itself is certainly not disqualifying), but certainly the county and the courts of law legally recognize Grandview Lake as a unincorporated town (not a muncipalituy), as is not uncommon in Indiana. While platting does not necessary mean the town developed (as have oft been repeated as reason for deletion), in this case it definitely did. Djflem ( talk) 06:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Newspapers.com shows page after page of legal notices and occasional advertisements
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4], and the two potential SIGCOV sources in the article
[5]
[6] aren't independent of the subject. I'm not convinced that this meets GEOLAND either. "Town" has various meanings in different states, and in this case it seems to describe a plot of land that has been divided into lots for sale similar to a subdivision. –
dlthewave
☎
03:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Which coverage? Where? In the article? Which references are you referring to, because none of what you've mention appears in the article...so that doesn't appear to be valid argument.
Djflem (
talk)
15:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Wikipedia:NGEO per ref's. Djflem ( talk) 03:51, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 00:43, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Ohio Township, Bartholomew County, Indiana. I agree it probably passes WP:NGEO, but we always have the discretion to merge notable topics into places where they can enjoy context. Neither article is long, and there is no real downside to merging imv. Coordinates can be supplied in the section. Ovinus ( talk) 20:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: If GEOLAND is met, "keep" and "merge" are both still possible; which is preferred?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde ( Talk) 21:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per
Wikipedia:NGEO. I'm not really seeing a benefit to merging with Ohio Township which is a town next to Grandview Lake. The two are geographically close but otherwise not related.
4meter4 (
talk)
23:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, in Indiana townships are not towns, they are subdivisions of counties. Grandview Lake is within and locally governed by Ohio Township. Reywas92 Talk 04:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I do not believe this passes either GEOLAND or GNG. Looking at the refs listed, most lack significant coverage. GNIS is not considered sufficient for notability, and the two refs about the dam seem to be of similar quality (listing the dam in databases). The one source that appears to have significant coverage is the McCray book. This book was published by the HOA, however, and thus cannot be considered independent. Thus, this article appears to lack significant, independent, coverage and should be deleted in accordance with our policies. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 00:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep—I am NO FAN of one-wikipedia-article-for-every-single-place-in-the-Universe. However, it appears from
https://www2.census.gov/geo/docs/maps-data/data/gazetteer/2022_Gazetteer/2022_gaz_place_18.txt that "Grandview Lake" is a
census designated place, which would appear to satisfy
WP:NGEO. --User:Ceyockey (
talk to me)
01:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Huh, it appears that Indiana had
129 CDPs in 2021 but now has
406 CDPs in 2022, and Grandview Lake is in fact one of the new ones. These are normally updated at just each census so I'm not sure why there were so many new ones this year here. I've gotten wary about CDPs with how many pure subdivisions there are now like
Renaissance at Monroe, New Jersey but this may be adequate.
Reywas92
Talk
02:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ Reywas92: That is weird, the huge increase. Thanks for your insight. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Huh, it appears that Indiana had
129 CDPs in 2021 but now has
406 CDPs in 2022, and Grandview Lake is in fact one of the new ones. These are normally updated at just each census so I'm not sure why there were so many new ones this year here. I've gotten wary about CDPs with how many pure subdivisions there are now like
Renaissance at Monroe, New Jersey but this may be adequate.
Reywas92
Talk
02:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Star Mississippi 03:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
Grandview Lake, Indiana
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A large development with its own lake, the history of which is outlined on their website. I did find a bunch of reports about their septic system, but other than that it's all real estate and gazetteers. Mangoe ( talk) 04:51, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Indiana-related deletion discussions. Madeline ( part of me) 12:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Mangoe ( talk) 15:28, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Coverage consists mainly of real estate notices and advertisements, does not meet GEOLAND or GNG. –
dlthewave
☎
13:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Which coverage? Where? In the article? Which references are you referring to, because none of what you've mention appears in the article...so that doesn't appear to be valid argument.
Djflem (
talk)
15:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Newspapers.com shows page after page of legal notices and occasional advertisements
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4], and the two potential SIGCOV sources in the article
[5]
[6] aren't independent of the subject. I'm not convinced that this meets GEOLAND either. "Town" has various meanings in different states, and in this case it seems to describe a plot of land that has been divided into lots for sale similar to a subdivision. –
dlthewave
☎
03:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- One would expect real estate ads/legal notices for any/all of the thousands of places of in the USA, wouldn't one?. Unclear what the point is, since that's normal and certainly not disqualifying. Indiana statues certainly make a distinction between towns and subdivisons (which in itself is certainly not disqualifying), but certainly the county and the courts of law legally recognize Grandview Lake as a unincorporated town (not a muncipalituy), as is not uncommon in Indiana. While platting does not necessary mean the town developed (as have oft been repeated as reason for deletion), in this case it definitely did. Djflem ( talk) 06:09, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Newspapers.com shows page after page of legal notices and occasional advertisements
[1]
[2]
[3]
[4], and the two potential SIGCOV sources in the article
[5]
[6] aren't independent of the subject. I'm not convinced that this meets GEOLAND either. "Town" has various meanings in different states, and in this case it seems to describe a plot of land that has been divided into lots for sale similar to a subdivision. –
dlthewave
☎
03:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Which coverage? Where? In the article? Which references are you referring to, because none of what you've mention appears in the article...so that doesn't appear to be valid argument.
Djflem (
talk)
15:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per Wikipedia:NGEO per ref's. Djflem ( talk) 03:51, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 ( talk) 00:43, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Ohio Township, Bartholomew County, Indiana. I agree it probably passes WP:NGEO, but we always have the discretion to merge notable topics into places where they can enjoy context. Neither article is long, and there is no real downside to merging imv. Coordinates can be supplied in the section. Ovinus ( talk) 20:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: If GEOLAND is met, "keep" and "merge" are both still possible; which is preferred?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde ( Talk) 21:24, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per
Wikipedia:NGEO. I'm not really seeing a benefit to merging with Ohio Township which is a town next to Grandview Lake. The two are geographically close but otherwise not related.
4meter4 (
talk)
23:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, in Indiana townships are not towns, they are subdivisions of counties. Grandview Lake is within and locally governed by Ohio Township. Reywas92 Talk 04:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I do not believe this passes either GEOLAND or GNG. Looking at the refs listed, most lack significant coverage. GNIS is not considered sufficient for notability, and the two refs about the dam seem to be of similar quality (listing the dam in databases). The one source that appears to have significant coverage is the McCray book. This book was published by the HOA, however, and thus cannot be considered independent. Thus, this article appears to lack significant, independent, coverage and should be deleted in accordance with our policies. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback) 00:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep—I am NO FAN of one-wikipedia-article-for-every-single-place-in-the-Universe. However, it appears from
https://www2.census.gov/geo/docs/maps-data/data/gazetteer/2022_Gazetteer/2022_gaz_place_18.txt that "Grandview Lake" is a
census designated place, which would appear to satisfy
WP:NGEO. --User:Ceyockey (
talk to me)
01:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- Huh, it appears that Indiana had
129 CDPs in 2021 but now has
406 CDPs in 2022, and Grandview Lake is in fact one of the new ones. These are normally updated at just each census so I'm not sure why there were so many new ones this year here. I've gotten wary about CDPs with how many pure subdivisions there are now like
Renaissance at Monroe, New Jersey but this may be adequate.
Reywas92
Talk
02:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- @ Reywas92: That is weird, the huge increase. Thanks for your insight. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 00:42, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Huh, it appears that Indiana had
129 CDPs in 2021 but now has
406 CDPs in 2022, and Grandview Lake is in fact one of the new ones. These are normally updated at just each census so I'm not sure why there were so many new ones this year here. I've gotten wary about CDPs with how many pure subdivisions there are now like
Renaissance at Monroe, New Jersey but this may be adequate.
Reywas92
Talk
02:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.