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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 01:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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Article is OR/SYNTH. It cites some factoids about Satan in the Jewish scriptures, belief in an inferior demiurge as found in Gnosticism and various historical Christian sects, etc, but those factoids are already covered in other articles, and their connection to the article title is quite tenuous. The phrase "God as the devil" is rarely found in the scholarly literature, and its occasional disparate uses appear to have little connection with the contents of this article. Mr248 ( talk) 23:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete - This seems to be a pretty clear case of WP:SYNTH. The article is taking several different topics (the concept of Satan and evil in the Old Testament, Gnostic beliefs, etc), and combining them into this singular article. Since none of the actual sources are linking these different concepts together, doing so for this article is nothing but WP:SYNTH, with a fair amount of other WP:OR as well. Rorshacma ( talk) 01:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Merge/split: I agree this is WP:SYNTH, but the solution to this is merging, not deleting, especially as the content is well researched and referenced. This also has the advantage that it can be done by anyone without going through a deletion request. --
dab
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06:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- @ Dbachmann: which article(s) would you merge/split to? And what would we do with this page after the merge/split is done? (Disambig? Redirect to one of those articles?) Mr248 ( talk) 09:04, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete As per above, a clear case of WP:SYNTH. Akronowner ( talk) 16:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)- Blocked sock. MER-C 12:51, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed with the above reasoning (i.e. violation of WP:SYNTH ) SacredSunflower ( talk) 16:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:SYNTH and original research, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:01, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps Rename/repurpose -- We cannot have an article with this title, which is a slander that none of the adherents of the heresies in question actually supported. The heresy asserts that God and Satan are equal. Variations of this have had various names in various places: see map in Paulicianism, Manichaeism, Bogomilism, Catharism and Waldensians. There may be scope for a general article, covering all of these, perhaps Dualist theology. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Daniel ( talk) 01:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
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Article is OR/SYNTH. It cites some factoids about Satan in the Jewish scriptures, belief in an inferior demiurge as found in Gnosticism and various historical Christian sects, etc, but those factoids are already covered in other articles, and their connection to the article title is quite tenuous. The phrase "God as the devil" is rarely found in the scholarly literature, and its occasional disparate uses appear to have little connection with the contents of this article. Mr248 ( talk) 23:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. Mr248 ( talk) 23:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Mr248 ( talk) 23:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Mr248 ( talk) 23:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - This seems to be a pretty clear case of WP:SYNTH. The article is taking several different topics (the concept of Satan and evil in the Old Testament, Gnostic beliefs, etc), and combining them into this singular article. Since none of the actual sources are linking these different concepts together, doing so for this article is nothing but WP:SYNTH, with a fair amount of other WP:OR as well. Rorshacma ( talk) 01:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Merge/split: I agree this is WP:SYNTH, but the solution to this is merging, not deleting, especially as the content is well researched and referenced. This also has the advantage that it can be done by anyone without going through a deletion request. --
dab
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06:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- @ Dbachmann: which article(s) would you merge/split to? And what would we do with this page after the merge/split is done? (Disambig? Redirect to one of those articles?) Mr248 ( talk) 09:04, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Delete As per above, a clear case of WP:SYNTH. Akronowner ( talk) 16:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)- Blocked sock. MER-C 12:51, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Agreed with the above reasoning (i.e. violation of WP:SYNTH ) SacredSunflower ( talk) 16:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:SYNTH and original research, imv Atlantic306 ( talk) 01:01, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps Rename/repurpose -- We cannot have an article with this title, which is a slander that none of the adherents of the heresies in question actually supported. The heresy asserts that God and Satan are equal. Variations of this have had various names in various places: see map in Paulicianism, Manichaeism, Bogomilism, Catharism and Waldensians. There may be scope for a general article, covering all of these, perhaps Dualist theology. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:13, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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