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The result was delete. Vanamonde ( Talk) 18:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC) reply

Gilaman

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Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:BIO. The only web sources I could find are mostly focussed on this movement PTM. I cant find many reliable sources that are independent of this subject. The coverage that exists for this person consist mostly of routine coverage of the movement and a few articles regarding his arrest. But certainly "significant coverage" does not exist, which is a key requirement in meeting WP:GNG Kami2018 ( talk) 16:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:22, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 17:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

• Keep per WP:ARTIST because he is a notable Pashto-language poet. One of his published poetry books is "اویا کاله برباد شومه". He is also regarded as one of the leaders of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement. Khestwol ( talk) 17:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply
• Delete The person lacks the references to be notable. Whatever his role in the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement is, the article shouldn't be kept without reliable in-depth sources on him. -- Adamant1 ( talk) 19:21, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Comment: Besides being a poet (artist) and political activist, Gilaman was also reported to be a victim of enforced disappearance (after his deportation from Bahrain to Multan Airport) because of his activism in PTM. I think that this event by itself falls under WP:N/CA. Khestwol ( talk) 19:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Not to be rude or anything, but you can say whatever you want about the person. It's completely meaningless to the AfD process if you don't back it up with sources though. The only reference in the article about anyone getting arrested or anything similar to it doesn't even mention him. -- Adamant1 ( talk) 19:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Perhaps we need to find more sources about his Pashto poetry to add it to article? It will be in Pashto though. Khestwol ( talk) 19:44, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Maybe as long as they proper sources. You might want to look over WP:GNG first though if your not familiar with it. If all the sources are in Pashto, it might better to just create a Pashto article instead. Since it indicates people who speak that language are probably going to be more interested in the person then English speakers. Whoever they are. -- Adamant1 ( talk) 19:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

OK, I will try to add something. Also, the English-language article from Bahrain which you referred to above does mention him, but by an alternative spelling of his name, "Geelaman". Khestwol ( talk) 19:54, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

Oh, my bad. I was thinking that might have been the case. It doesn't help with finding sources if he goes by a bunch of alternative names. -- Adamant1 ( talk) 19:55, 11 July 2020 (UTC) reply

He's not going by a buch of alternative names. He only goes by two names, as many Western creative professionals do, but they are not in the Roman alphabet, and there is not such a standardised way of transcribing those names into the Roman alphabet as there is with Russian or Chinese names, for example. Yes, that makes it more difficult to find sources in the Roman alphabet, but it is by no means going by a bunch of alternative names in order to confuse those of us who are most comfortable using English. Phil Bridger ( talk) 15:50, 30 July 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete per @ Adamant1:
• Update: I have now created a Pashto article on Gilaman as mentioned above. Also, I added another source to this en article [1]. The new source clearly states that Hazrat Naeem Abdul Qayum, alias Gilaman Pashteen, [has] allegedly been abducted and forcibly disappeared. As of now, Gilaman is one of the few people on Wikipedia (6) who are included in Category:2020s missing person cases. Of course, I think Gilaman is also notable for his Pashto poetry. But if this article is deleted, we might need to create another article to at least mention Gilaman's enforced disappearance event from Multan Airport as per WP:N/CA. Khestwol ( talk) 20:20, 17 July 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete the subject fails to quality general notability guideline. TheBirdsShedTears ( talk) 16:23, 29 July 2020 (UTC) reply
• As a side note, as I have written before, the nom Kami2018, who is mass reporting Pashtun articles for deletion, has disruptively edited articles about Pashtuns in the past and was recently given "last warning" on his talk page twice for removing sourced content from various related articles. Thanks, Khestwol ( talk) 22:35, 30 July 2020 (UTC) reply

• By giving this argument, I suppose you cannot justify the presence of these articles which have no importance at individual level. Thankyou Kami2018 ( talk) 01:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC) reply

• Delete per nomination since subject fails WP:NARTIST, WP:POLITICS, and even WP:GNG. Sustained referencing in reliable sources is not there. - The Gnome ( talk) 08:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC) reply

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