The result was Draftify. People here broadly agree that the topic is possibly (or in the view of some probably) notable, but that the current content is terrible: an unsourced aggregation of ghost stories presented mostly as facts. On that basis, the outcome most consistent with this discussion and the core policies of WP:V and WP:NOR is draftification until the content is substantially improved. Sandstein 15:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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Not only is this almost entirely unsourced, and comprised of anecdotal WP:FRINGE information, but I don't believe this actually meets the WP:GNG as a topic. This is not about stories or beliefs in a particular culture or region, but an overly broad topic that covers multiple countries, with their own distinct cultures, across three continents. While there are certainly sources to be found about the beliefs in ghosts in the individual countries included, I can find no actual reliable sources that discuss this overall concept of ghosts in "spanish-speaking" cultures as a singular topic. Rorshacma ( talk) 06:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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To roughly paraphrase Patricio Rivera Olguín (2013), Fantasmas del norte: Imaginarios, identidad y memoria, RIL Editores, p. 22,
... In its primary stage, society searches for the origin of these phenomena and explains them from tragic deaths that cut off a life before it has finished its natural course. Thus classic ghostly figures emerge, such as La Llorona (originally from Andalusia during the 10th century war against the Moors), adapted to local characteristics and widely reproduced in different places in Latin America.
La Llorona is known in many Latin American towns, with an origin that dates back to the times of the Conquest. Various narratives tell about the relationship between an indigenous woman and a Spanish man, from which a son or daughter is born who is rejected by the family of the mother, who is forced to kill the child. The stories generally state that she drowns her child in a river and then weeps forever because of the pain it causes her.
Ghosts in Latin America are conceived around the concept of the soul in pain, which represents the soul or spirit of a deceased who wanders in sorrow or remains in the places where he previously lived. Sometimes they announce burials or treasures, which prevent them from resting if they are not discovered ...
Other books that may be useful, from a quick scan:
There are many other potential sources. Aymatth2 ( talk) 13:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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North America
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09:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
The result was Draftify. People here broadly agree that the topic is possibly (or in the view of some probably) notable, but that the current content is terrible: an unsourced aggregation of ghost stories presented mostly as facts. On that basis, the outcome most consistent with this discussion and the core policies of WP:V and WP:NOR is draftification until the content is substantially improved. Sandstein 15:20, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
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Not only is this almost entirely unsourced, and comprised of anecdotal WP:FRINGE information, but I don't believe this actually meets the WP:GNG as a topic. This is not about stories or beliefs in a particular culture or region, but an overly broad topic that covers multiple countries, with their own distinct cultures, across three continents. While there are certainly sources to be found about the beliefs in ghosts in the individual countries included, I can find no actual reliable sources that discuss this overall concept of ghosts in "spanish-speaking" cultures as a singular topic. Rorshacma ( talk) 06:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Liz
Read!
Talk!
05:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
To roughly paraphrase Patricio Rivera Olguín (2013), Fantasmas del norte: Imaginarios, identidad y memoria, RIL Editores, p. 22,
... In its primary stage, society searches for the origin of these phenomena and explains them from tragic deaths that cut off a life before it has finished its natural course. Thus classic ghostly figures emerge, such as La Llorona (originally from Andalusia during the 10th century war against the Moors), adapted to local characteristics and widely reproduced in different places in Latin America.
La Llorona is known in many Latin American towns, with an origin that dates back to the times of the Conquest. Various narratives tell about the relationship between an indigenous woman and a Spanish man, from which a son or daughter is born who is rejected by the family of the mother, who is forced to kill the child. The stories generally state that she drowns her child in a river and then weeps forever because of the pain it causes her.
Ghosts in Latin America are conceived around the concept of the soul in pain, which represents the soul or spirit of a deceased who wanders in sorrow or remains in the places where he previously lived. Sometimes they announce burials or treasures, which prevent them from resting if they are not discovered ...
Other books that may be useful, from a quick scan:
There are many other potential sources. Aymatth2 ( talk) 13:54, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
North America
1000
09:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)