The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 06:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Germany in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2023 (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)

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Draftify until the event has been held. This is a contested draftification and is WP:TOOSOON. 🇺🇦  Fiddle^Timtrent  Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 09:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Germany. Shellwood ( talk) 10:37, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep. It is too late to say WP:TOOSOON. The initial performances at the national level have already taken place. The results of voting in the national event are expected to be announced later today (18 September). Similar articles have already been created for other countries. Eastmain ( talk • contribs) 12:28, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply
• Speedy Keep: Everything has already happened, so the nominator's rationale is no longer even relevant. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 15:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  I think the nominator meant until the Junior Eurovision Song Contest has been held. Because that's, you know, the topic of the article. ― Jochem van Hees ( talk) 18:31, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  Correct. 🇺🇦  Fiddle^Timtrent  Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:36, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  Either way my vote remains the same. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 19:28, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply

• Keep, per above comments. ihateneo ( talk) 17:23, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply
• Weak delete. Delete because we're supposed to base this on policy, and when strictly applying WP:NEVENT, this topic is not notable in its current state; almost all coverage is routine. Weak because in practice I doubt that it's worth actually deleting it. The information in the article is verifyable and encyclopedic, and it can't easily be merged into another article. On top of that, I think many people by now expect there to be an article like this for every single country, and it'll probably be recreated quite a few times anyway. It would also mean we'd probably also have to delete more of these kinds of articles; for example Ireland in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2023 and Latvia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2024 are arguably even less notable than this. ― Jochem van Hees ( talk) 19:25, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply
• Draftify This article focuses on the partcipation and it should be published when the participation is over, in other words: When Junior Eurovision is over. Unlike other countries like Georgia with a comprehensive national selection, where it makes sence to move the article from draftspace when the artist/song is chosen, the amount of information about Germany's participation is currently very low (same thing with Estonia, which currently remains in draftspace) -- David0296 ( talk) 22:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Comment, so the reason for draftifying is to wait until the event has been held? Are you also planning to draftify 2026 FIFA World Cup while you're at it? ihateneo ( talk) 23:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC) reply

• Withraw Nomination: The world has moved on and it is no longer too soon. The voting table has filled with results, and it is now perfectly reasonable for this article to exist. Please note that the AfD process suggests that the discussion continue until its normal end date because there are opinions both to keep and to delete, thus closing it early would be inappropriate. 🇺🇦  Fiddle^Timtrent  Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC) reply

   Comment: Should any prior or subsequent !votes to delete be struck, early closure is likely to be appropriate. 🇺🇦  Fiddle^Timtrent  Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 06:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC) reply

Comment: An article about someone's participation in an event is something completely different from an article about an event in general. Very weak comparison David0296 ( talk) 21:52, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply

David0296, as per nominator, the norm is not longer relevant at this point. ihateneo ( talk) 22:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC) reply

• keep - Time to close this nom. Clearly notable now. And sourcing is good. BabbaQ ( talk) 07:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Junior Eurovision is not nearly as popular as the parent competition. While there are many sources here, I'm not sure that the selection itself is notable. The entire article could be summarized in 2-3 sentences at Germany in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest. As it is, the entire background section is already a summary of that article. Grk1011 ( talk) 21:21, 24 September 2023 (UTC) reply
• Keep Is notable, if sources arent sufficient then more can defiantly be found. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:41, 26 September 2023 (UTC) reply

  But there must actually be useful sources. I have looked for sources online, but it's mostly routine coverage that does not go into much depth. ― Jochem van Hees ( talk) 23:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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