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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 00:48, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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No sources provided, no indication of notability. Also, since only the given names are mentioned, there is no way to actually identify anyone. There may easily be dozens of "noted" khoomii singers in Mongolia going by those names. Latebird ( talk) 20:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - This does make it hard to find the person in question, mostly because surnames aren't considered important in Mongolia. See Mongolian name#modern. JTdale Talk 20:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete. The article is far from establishing any notability (which might or might not exist), and, as Latebird points out, it doesn't even manage to refer to any concretely identifiable individual. G Purevdorj ( talk) 17:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. The nominator and some of the previous comments are making rather too much of the fact that we have only a given name and no surname for the subject. Mongolia is a country with a relatively small population and a wide enough variety of given names that surnames are still not automatically used for identification - and
Mongolian name rather suggests that posessors of all but the most common given names (of which Gereltsogt does not seem to be one) number no more than a few thousand each. By the time we have narrowed matters down further by taking into account the rest of the information in the article, I have little doubt that the article and both of these apparently
reliable
sources are referring to the same individual. Having said that, neither of the sources I have given is exactly substantial, and while I suspect that the subject could fairly easily be proved notable if a search were made for sources in Mongolian - we probably have nobody reading this who is in a position to do this.
PWilkinson (
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13:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- If it was that simple, then one of us searching for the names and relevant keywords in Mongolian spelling would most likely have been able to identify the people mentioned in the article. A search for Гэрэлцогт хөөмийч turns up two texts, mentioning two distinct khöömii singers named Gereltsogt. Your first source talks about someone who "appears on recordings", and the second one about a private individual (a yak breeder). So we're looking at sources about three or four different people. Which one do you think the article is about?
- For illustration, let's transfer the article text into a more familiar cultural context:
- Jack is a noted practitioner of Country singing in Tennessee. His brother, John, is also a renowned country singer. Jack is married to Jill.
- Tennessee has about twice the population of Mongolia, but the popularity of the artforms and the pervasiveness of the names are roughly similar, so I'm sure you still get the idea. -- Latebird ( talk) 21:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - completely fails for lack of context. Why is this singer notable? A short paragraph tautology is not even a stub. Bearian ( talk) 20:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Kurykh ( talk) 00:48, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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No sources provided, no indication of notability. Also, since only the given names are mentioned, there is no way to actually identify anyone. There may easily be dozens of "noted" khoomii singers in Mongolia going by those names. Latebird ( talk) 20:15, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment - This does make it hard to find the person in question, mostly because surnames aren't considered important in Mongolia. See Mongolian name#modern. JTdale Talk 20:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mongolia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:52, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete. The article is far from establishing any notability (which might or might not exist), and, as Latebird points out, it doesn't even manage to refer to any concretely identifiable individual. G Purevdorj ( talk) 17:41, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- Comment. The nominator and some of the previous comments are making rather too much of the fact that we have only a given name and no surname for the subject. Mongolia is a country with a relatively small population and a wide enough variety of given names that surnames are still not automatically used for identification - and
Mongolian name rather suggests that posessors of all but the most common given names (of which Gereltsogt does not seem to be one) number no more than a few thousand each. By the time we have narrowed matters down further by taking into account the rest of the information in the article, I have little doubt that the article and both of these apparently
reliable
sources are referring to the same individual. Having said that, neither of the sources I have given is exactly substantial, and while I suspect that the subject could fairly easily be proved notable if a search were made for sources in Mongolian - we probably have nobody reading this who is in a position to do this.
PWilkinson (
talk)
13:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- If it was that simple, then one of us searching for the names and relevant keywords in Mongolian spelling would most likely have been able to identify the people mentioned in the article. A search for Гэрэлцогт хөөмийч turns up two texts, mentioning two distinct khöömii singers named Gereltsogt. Your first source talks about someone who "appears on recordings", and the second one about a private individual (a yak breeder). So we're looking at sources about three or four different people. Which one do you think the article is about?
- For illustration, let's transfer the article text into a more familiar cultural context:
- Jack is a noted practitioner of Country singing in Tennessee. His brother, John, is also a renowned country singer. Jack is married to Jill.
- Tennessee has about twice the population of Mongolia, but the popularity of the artforms and the pervasiveness of the names are roughly similar, so I'm sure you still get the idea. -- Latebird ( talk) 21:04, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
- Delete - completely fails for lack of context. Why is this singer notable? A short paragraph tautology is not even a stub. Bearian ( talk) 20:33, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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