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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 01:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
George Cervantes
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Non-notable volunteer and matchmaker, the author of which myself and other users have attempted to explain sourcing, tone, etc. to. He has disregarded our advice, and the sourcing in this article is either all advertorials, too sparse to be useful for this subject, or of dubious origin. BEFORE returns jack shit (string: ["George Cervantes" matchmaker]), something which the author was told last time (several months ago) and which still holds true today. Mercenary suspected; the author has consistently disclaimed any association with the subject but has edited little else. Article was created in mainspace directly by author after previous drafts were all unambiguously rejected and the previous draft - which was of similar substance and tone to this one, with virtually identical sourcing - was deleted as G11. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 21:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- They created a page COI a few days ago and I fully declared that I know Mr. Cervantes and he attends the same church where I go on Sundays. I am not getting any payment as I mentioned on the COI page that was created a few days ago. I am simply stating the facts with sources to back up anything that is on the page. --
Marcorubiocali (
talk)
21:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- I created a new page becuase TimTrent told me to start a fresh/brand new page. I was following his advice.--
Marcorubiocali (
talk)
21:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Tim Trent's actual advice included " I wish you had not moved it to mainspace. There it is vulnerable to a deletion process. The review process would have helped you a great deal." Theroadislong ( talk) 21:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- I created a new page becuase TimTrent told me to start a fresh/brand new page. I was following his advice.--
Marcorubiocali (
talk)
21:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
I saw what he said after I posted the article live. It was too late then. I am sorry for that. I will let you guys decide what you are going to do with the page. That's all the information that I have for Cervantes. Thank you! -- Marcorubiocali ( talk) 21:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete – Does not satisfy general notability. A review of the references teaches as much about the matchmaking business as about the subject. The matchmaking business appears to provide a lot of vanity awards (like publishing, and like distilled spirits). The subject may be famous for being famous, but that is not clear. The subject uses social media effectively to publicize himself, and the matchmaking business publicizes its people. There are 17 references, but, on review, 0 of them are independent secondary sources. Most or all of them are interviews, or messages encouraging people to volunteer and help animals, or press releases, or vanity awards. (I meant to include this statement prior to the analysis of sources. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)}}
| Number | Reference | Remarks | Independent | Significant | Reliable | Secondary |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | The Free Library | Entry in a list of volunteers | No | No | No | |
| 2 | Newsbreak | Volunteer message | No | No | No | |
| 3 | Globedia | Volunteer listing (in Spanish) | No | No | No | |
| 4 | Argonaut News | Animal Advocate, volunteer message | No | No | No | |
| 5 | Vocal Media Pet Life | Interview | No | No | ||
| 6 | Daily Herald | Another volunteer message | No | No | No | |
| 7 | Launchora | Interview in which he criticizes his competitors | No | Yes | No | |
| 8 | Hollywood Matchmakers | Interview | No | No | ||
| 9 | Best Los Angeles Matchmakers | A celebrity award by the matchmaking association | No | No | ||
| 10 | Wellbeing News UK | A press release, almost same as 9 | No | No | ||
| 11 | Voticle.com | An interview | No | No | ||
| 12 | Weheartit | Article about a celebrity award | No | No | ||
| 13 | Newsbreak | Another volunteer message | No | No | ||
| 14 | DateNewYorkSingles.com | Another press release about an award | No | No | ||
| 15 | Vocal Media Pet Life | Publicity for the subject's organization | No | Yes | No | |
| 16 | DateManhattanSingles.com | Another press release about an award | No | No | ||
| 17 | Calameo | Encourages people to volunteer | No | No |
Robert McClenon ( talk) 04:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Cervantes was awarded by the state of New York and publicly recognized for his effords to assist with the city's overcrowded animal shelters. -- Marcorubiocali ( talk) 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Comparing the "About George Cervantes:" sections at the end of refs 18, 19, and 20 it is clear that they are all based on the same press release. This article is obviously just intended as promotion of the subject, and not based on independent sources. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 13:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete there is insufficent independence in the sources. Kathlene Smoot ( talk) 19:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
KeepThe sources have no relationship to Cervantes which makes them ALL independent. There are always going to be online magazines and publications covering his stories. He opened an animal shelter and helps animals in need. Society views such individuals as local heros and magazines and online publications love covering those types of stories. -- Marcorubiocali ( talk) 20:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)- You've already made an argument; you don't get to make another one unless you're changing the whole premise of your argument. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 20:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 01:15, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
George Cervantes
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Non-notable volunteer and matchmaker, the author of which myself and other users have attempted to explain sourcing, tone, etc. to. He has disregarded our advice, and the sourcing in this article is either all advertorials, too sparse to be useful for this subject, or of dubious origin. BEFORE returns jack shit (string: ["George Cervantes" matchmaker]), something which the author was told last time (several months ago) and which still holds true today. Mercenary suspected; the author has consistently disclaimed any association with the subject but has edited little else. Article was created in mainspace directly by author after previous drafts were all unambiguously rejected and the previous draft - which was of similar substance and tone to this one, with virtually identical sourcing - was deleted as G11. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 21:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- They created a page COI a few days ago and I fully declared that I know Mr. Cervantes and he attends the same church where I go on Sundays. I am not getting any payment as I mentioned on the COI page that was created a few days ago. I am simply stating the facts with sources to back up anything that is on the page. --
Marcorubiocali (
talk)
21:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- I created a new page becuase TimTrent told me to start a fresh/brand new page. I was following his advice.--
Marcorubiocali (
talk)
21:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Tim Trent's actual advice included " I wish you had not moved it to mainspace. There it is vulnerable to a deletion process. The review process would have helped you a great deal." Theroadislong ( talk) 21:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- I created a new page becuase TimTrent told me to start a fresh/brand new page. I was following his advice.--
Marcorubiocali (
talk)
21:14, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
I saw what he said after I posted the article live. It was too late then. I am sorry for that. I will let you guys decide what you are going to do with the page. That's all the information that I have for Cervantes. Thank you! -- Marcorubiocali ( talk) 21:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 21:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete – Does not satisfy general notability. A review of the references teaches as much about the matchmaking business as about the subject. The matchmaking business appears to provide a lot of vanity awards (like publishing, and like distilled spirits). The subject may be famous for being famous, but that is not clear. The subject uses social media effectively to publicize himself, and the matchmaking business publicizes its people. There are 17 references, but, on review, 0 of them are independent secondary sources. Most or all of them are interviews, or messages encouraging people to volunteer and help animals, or press releases, or vanity awards. (I meant to include this statement prior to the analysis of sources. Robert McClenon ( talk) 17:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)}}
| Number | Reference | Remarks | Independent | Significant | Reliable | Secondary |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | The Free Library | Entry in a list of volunteers | No | No | No | |
| 2 | Newsbreak | Volunteer message | No | No | No | |
| 3 | Globedia | Volunteer listing (in Spanish) | No | No | No | |
| 4 | Argonaut News | Animal Advocate, volunteer message | No | No | No | |
| 5 | Vocal Media Pet Life | Interview | No | No | ||
| 6 | Daily Herald | Another volunteer message | No | No | No | |
| 7 | Launchora | Interview in which he criticizes his competitors | No | Yes | No | |
| 8 | Hollywood Matchmakers | Interview | No | No | ||
| 9 | Best Los Angeles Matchmakers | A celebrity award by the matchmaking association | No | No | ||
| 10 | Wellbeing News UK | A press release, almost same as 9 | No | No | ||
| 11 | Voticle.com | An interview | No | No | ||
| 12 | Weheartit | Article about a celebrity award | No | No | ||
| 13 | Newsbreak | Another volunteer message | No | No | ||
| 14 | DateNewYorkSingles.com | Another press release about an award | No | No | ||
| 15 | Vocal Media Pet Life | Publicity for the subject's organization | No | Yes | No | |
| 16 | DateManhattanSingles.com | Another press release about an award | No | No | ||
| 17 | Calameo | Encourages people to volunteer | No | No |
Robert McClenon ( talk) 04:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Cervantes was awarded by the state of New York and publicly recognized for his effords to assist with the city's overcrowded animal shelters. -- Marcorubiocali ( talk) 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - Comparing the "About George Cervantes:" sections at the end of refs 18, 19, and 20 it is clear that they are all based on the same press release. This article is obviously just intended as promotion of the subject, and not based on independent sources. -- David Biddulph ( talk) 13:53, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Delete there is insufficent independence in the sources. Kathlene Smoot ( talk) 19:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
KeepThe sources have no relationship to Cervantes which makes them ALL independent. There are always going to be online magazines and publications covering his stories. He opened an animal shelter and helps animals in need. Society views such individuals as local heros and magazines and online publications love covering those types of stories. -- Marcorubiocali ( talk) 20:21, 30 October 2021 (UTC)- You've already made an argument; you don't get to make another one unless you're changing the whole premise of your argument. — A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 20:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.