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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 06:16, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
George Bunny
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Non-notable actor, sibling of notable one; this is a mere catalog of films in which he appeared, with no reliable sourcing and neither assertion nor evidence of notability. We are not IMDb. Orange Mike | Talk 04:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete fails WP:NACTOR Legacypac ( talk) 04:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I'd like not to since he did appear in some notable silent movies but he didn't have repeated notable roles in these movies, and after 1925 was largely uncredited according to IMDB (which isn't a good source, but explains why he's not in the cast listings in any of those movie articles.) A search brought up basically his gravestone and noted he was the brother of a more famous actor. I'm leaning closer to keep than normal for my delete recs, but most of his films aren't notable, it's a straight IMDB scrape and most importantly I don't know how we recover the article to make it notable. Part of this is recency bias as he's a silent film actor, so not a lot of sources online I would think, but nevertheless. SportingFlyer ( talk) 07:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Comment: according to Eugene Venanzza's Silent Film Necrology, 2001, p. 69 (or what little I can see through Google Books), George Bunny was the subject of:
- "George Bunny," Variety, 23 Apr 1952. AMD, p. 56. AS, p. 183.
- "George Bunny Resembles His Well-Known Brother," MPW, 10 Aug 1918, 867.
- "George Bunny a National Star," MPW, 6 Nov 1920.
I assume that MPW is Moving Picture Weekly. If so, and if someone can verify this, I would endorse keep. In the meantime, I'll keep looking. -- Noswall59 ( talk) 08:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC).
- @ Noswall59: - yes, MPW is Moving Picture Weekly. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:23, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NACTOR - "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films". Appeared in 60+ films, with several starring roles. As a part of WP:BIAS, finding online sources for someone who was mainly active in the 1910s to 1930s can be tricky, but there is coverage in Variety and other publictions, as found by Noswall59. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:23, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Lugnuts. -- Michig ( talk) 19:50, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per the research by Noswall59 ( talk · contribs). Well spotted! Lankiveil ( speak to me) 05:08, 3 March 2018 (UTC).
- Strong delete the keep votes confuse lots of roles with major roles. Also they come from people who have shown a willingness to keep any actor article no matter how minor their roles or insignificant the coverage. Wikipedia does not aim to be IMDbm, and we should not try to create a comprehensive database of those involved in film. Bare articles with long lists of roles do no one any good. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:42, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I question the claim of "several starring roles". I challenge Lugnuts to name the specific roles that were starring. Until that is done, I also question that these alleged starring roles were in notable films. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- He had leading roles in Piccadilly Jim and The Lost World, to name a couple. If you read the sources you would see it noted he had leading roles in the silent era. Keep. FloridaArmy ( talk) 19:20, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was no consensus. Spartaz Humbug! 06:16, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
George Bunny
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Non-notable actor, sibling of notable one; this is a mere catalog of films in which he appeared, with no reliable sourcing and neither assertion nor evidence of notability. We are not IMDb. Orange Mike | Talk 04:22, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Every morning (there's a halo...) 04:27, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete fails WP:NACTOR Legacypac ( talk) 04:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I'd like not to since he did appear in some notable silent movies but he didn't have repeated notable roles in these movies, and after 1925 was largely uncredited according to IMDB (which isn't a good source, but explains why he's not in the cast listings in any of those movie articles.) A search brought up basically his gravestone and noted he was the brother of a more famous actor. I'm leaning closer to keep than normal for my delete recs, but most of his films aren't notable, it's a straight IMDB scrape and most importantly I don't know how we recover the article to make it notable. Part of this is recency bias as he's a silent film actor, so not a lot of sources online I would think, but nevertheless. SportingFlyer ( talk) 07:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Comment: according to Eugene Venanzza's Silent Film Necrology, 2001, p. 69 (or what little I can see through Google Books), George Bunny was the subject of:
- "George Bunny," Variety, 23 Apr 1952. AMD, p. 56. AS, p. 183.
- "George Bunny Resembles His Well-Known Brother," MPW, 10 Aug 1918, 867.
- "George Bunny a National Star," MPW, 6 Nov 1920.
I assume that MPW is Moving Picture Weekly. If so, and if someone can verify this, I would endorse keep. In the meantime, I'll keep looking. -- Noswall59 ( talk) 08:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC).
- @ Noswall59: - yes, MPW is Moving Picture Weekly. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:23, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:NACTOR - "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films". Appeared in 60+ films, with several starring roles. As a part of WP:BIAS, finding online sources for someone who was mainly active in the 1910s to 1930s can be tricky, but there is coverage in Variety and other publictions, as found by Noswall59. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:23, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per Lugnuts. -- Michig ( talk) 19:50, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep per the research by Noswall59 ( talk · contribs). Well spotted! Lankiveil ( speak to me) 05:08, 3 March 2018 (UTC).
- Strong delete the keep votes confuse lots of roles with major roles. Also they come from people who have shown a willingness to keep any actor article no matter how minor their roles or insignificant the coverage. Wikipedia does not aim to be IMDbm, and we should not try to create a comprehensive database of those involved in film. Bare articles with long lists of roles do no one any good. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:42, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I question the claim of "several starring roles". I challenge Lugnuts to name the specific roles that were starring. Until that is done, I also question that these alleged starring roles were in notable films. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 06:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- He had leading roles in Piccadilly Jim and The Lost World, to name a couple. If you read the sources you would see it noted he had leading roles in the silent era. Keep. FloridaArmy ( talk) 19:20, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 21:16, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 21:16, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
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