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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Baseball Watcher 01:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Genta Ismajli
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Unreferenced biography of a living person. Notability per WP:NMG is questionable. bender235 ( talk) 13:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. She may be a legitimate star in Kosovo/Albania: reliable sources are elusive to say the least, but for example she shows up on a number of magazine covers. It appears that at times she's identified as "Gentiana Ismajli" and sometimes simply as "Genta", which is even harder to search, of course. I have found only a smidgen of English-language coverage, for example this story which is mostly behind a pay wall but does call her a "Kosovo pop star" [1]. IMDB (which is usually deemed reliable for credits, if nothing else) backs up the statement that she appeared in the Euro Video Grand Prix 2006 [2]; I'm not sure how much notability that conveys. According to the article Kënga Magjike 07 she won this Albanian music contest, and Kënga Magjike 08 says she was on the jury the next year; the sources, such as they are, in Albanian and somewhat impenetrable for me. She has articles in seven other Wikipedias (here's a link to the Albanian one [3]) but none of them seem to cite any reliable sources either. Unless someone can come up with more compelling evidence, I'm afraid this looks like a case where our concerns about combating systemic bias, not to mention WP:HOTTIE, will be overridden by WP:BLP. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 15:06, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 21:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
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- Keep, notable enough -- Vinie007 12:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
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- Delete. As per Arxiloxos. Lots of Google hits and photographs but cannot see any reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. Someone needs to look up the specialised language webspace. Nipsonanomhmata (Talk) 16:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Weak keep, but maybe stub it. Notwithstanding my expressed concerns above, and my hopes that someone else would add more sources, after thinking about this for a while, I'm not very happy about the prospect of deleting this. There does seem to be some stuff out there in Albanian, and we do have the one English-language newspaper article as well as the evidence of her win at Kënga Magjike 07 and her participation in Dancing with the Stars (Albania). With due regard for WP:systemic bias, I'd prefer to see this article (and its multiple interwiki links) kept even if we have to cut it down.-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 17:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Keep As per Arxiloxos.-- Gaius Claudius Nero ( talk) 00:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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- Delete without prejudice. We cannot and should not be attributing facebook.com for sources in BLP articles. No way. coccyx bloccyx (toccyx) 00:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- No one is suggesting that her Facebook page is proof of notability. Doesn't
WP:ABOUTSELF specifically permit the use of a subject's official Facebook page as a source of information about the subject herself?--
Arxiloxos (
talk) 01:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- If that's the only source? Nope. We can confirm information - "Her birthdate is X, as per her website" for example - but even then, it's in the context of what the subject says, rather than what is verifiably true.
UltraExactZZ
Said ~
Did 12:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, it's not the only source. As noted above, there's at least one reliable source in English (behind a pay wall) and some in other languages, although they're not easy to pin down on line (here's another one, in Turkish, that popped up in today's GNews search [4])-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 15:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
- If that's the only source? Nope. We can confirm information - "Her birthdate is X, as per her website" for example - but even then, it's in the context of what the subject says, rather than what is verifiably true.
UltraExactZZ
Said ~
Did 12:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
- No one is suggesting that her Facebook page is proof of notability. Doesn't
WP:ABOUTSELF specifically permit the use of a subject's official Facebook page as a source of information about the subject herself?--
Arxiloxos (
talk) 01:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - per Joliet Herald-News, source. Passes WP:BIO.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 15:33, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - She has proven national notability in Albania, Kosovo, and Macedonia as a model and singer. Interviewed by the Voice of America as well. -- Doktor Plumbi ( talk) 02:52, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) Baseball Watcher 01:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Genta Ismajli
- Genta Ismajli ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Unreferenced biography of a living person. Notability per WP:NMG is questionable. bender235 ( talk) 13:38, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. She may be a legitimate star in Kosovo/Albania: reliable sources are elusive to say the least, but for example she shows up on a number of magazine covers. It appears that at times she's identified as "Gentiana Ismajli" and sometimes simply as "Genta", which is even harder to search, of course. I have found only a smidgen of English-language coverage, for example this story which is mostly behind a pay wall but does call her a "Kosovo pop star" [1]. IMDB (which is usually deemed reliable for credits, if nothing else) backs up the statement that she appeared in the Euro Video Grand Prix 2006 [2]; I'm not sure how much notability that conveys. According to the article Kënga Magjike 07 she won this Albanian music contest, and Kënga Magjike 08 says she was on the jury the next year; the sources, such as they are, in Albanian and somewhat impenetrable for me. She has articles in seven other Wikipedias (here's a link to the Albanian one [3]) but none of them seem to cite any reliable sources either. Unless someone can come up with more compelling evidence, I'm afraid this looks like a case where our concerns about combating systemic bias, not to mention WP:HOTTIE, will be overridden by WP:BLP. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 15:06, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 21:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 21:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. — Arxiloxos ( talk) 00:56, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
- Keep, notable enough -- Vinie007 12:26, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman ( talk) 01:14, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:29, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Delete. As per Arxiloxos. Lots of Google hits and photographs but cannot see any reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. Someone needs to look up the specialised language webspace. Nipsonanomhmata (Talk) 16:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Weak keep, but maybe stub it. Notwithstanding my expressed concerns above, and my hopes that someone else would add more sources, after thinking about this for a while, I'm not very happy about the prospect of deleting this. There does seem to be some stuff out there in Albanian, and we do have the one English-language newspaper article as well as the evidence of her win at Kënga Magjike 07 and her participation in Dancing with the Stars (Albania). With due regard for WP:systemic bias, I'd prefer to see this article (and its multiple interwiki links) kept even if we have to cut it down.-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 17:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Keep As per Arxiloxos.-- Gaius Claudius Nero ( talk) 00:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Baseball Watcher 01:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- Delete without prejudice. We cannot and should not be attributing facebook.com for sources in BLP articles. No way. coccyx bloccyx (toccyx) 00:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- No one is suggesting that her Facebook page is proof of notability. Doesn't
WP:ABOUTSELF specifically permit the use of a subject's official Facebook page as a source of information about the subject herself?--
Arxiloxos (
talk) 01:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- If that's the only source? Nope. We can confirm information - "Her birthdate is X, as per her website" for example - but even then, it's in the context of what the subject says, rather than what is verifiably true.
UltraExactZZ
Said ~
Did 12:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, it's not the only source. As noted above, there's at least one reliable source in English (behind a pay wall) and some in other languages, although they're not easy to pin down on line (here's another one, in Turkish, that popped up in today's GNews search [4])-- Arxiloxos ( talk) 15:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
- If that's the only source? Nope. We can confirm information - "Her birthdate is X, as per her website" for example - but even then, it's in the context of what the subject says, rather than what is verifiably true.
UltraExactZZ
Said ~
Did 12:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
- No one is suggesting that her Facebook page is proof of notability. Doesn't
WP:ABOUTSELF specifically permit the use of a subject's official Facebook page as a source of information about the subject herself?--
Arxiloxos (
talk) 01:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - per Joliet Herald-News, source. Passes WP:BIO.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 15:33, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - She has proven national notability in Albania, Kosovo, and Macedonia as a model and singer. Interviewed by the Voice of America as well. -- Doktor Plumbi ( talk) 02:52, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.