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While certainly accomplished, not enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG, and can't see how they meet WP:NSCHOLAR. Onel5969 TT me 12:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
And WP:NACADEMIC says if research has had a significant impact then it should be fine. Thanks TechMak ( talk) 20:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
In this case it is necessary to explicitly demonstrate, by a substantial number of references to academic publications of researchers other than the person in question, that this contribution is indeed widely considered to be significant and is widely attributed to the person in question.You cannot assess someone's impact based on the content they publish or what non-independent organizations say about them. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
continued His name is on 2 standards that are used by every browser, and the work established the technical foundation for I18N on the web... so it's incorporated into things people use every day. Mentioned here by Francois as seminal: https://www.w3.org/International/francois.yergeau.html Mentioned as being seminal by Rick: http://xml.coverpages.org/jelliffeERCSRetro.html IETF draft that led to rfc2070: https://www.w3.org/International/draft-ietf-html-i18n-05.txt RFC7303 attribution: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7303 (standard) Rfc2110 attribution: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2110 (standard) Attributed here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-html-cda Attribution in this presentation: https://slideplayer.com/slide/4709286/ Referenced here: https://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/html-authoring.html Referenced here: https://www.w3.org/TR/charmod/#Nicol (standard) Referenced here: https://www.w3.org/International/tomas.carrasco.benitez.html Referenced in this thesis: https://uknowledge.uky.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=cs_etds Referenced in this thesis: http://people.hum.aau.dk/~ulrikp/PhD/Sandborg-Petersen-PhD.pdf Referenced in this thesis: https://digibug.ugr.es/bitstream/handle/10481/48333/26785195.pdf?sequence=1 Referenced in this thesis: https://theses.hal.science/tel-00006373/document Referenced in X.1141 : Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML 2.0) (standard) https://www.itu.int/itu-t/workprog/wp_a5_td.aspx?i...https://www.itu.int › itu-t › workprog › wp_a5_td Bio/attribution: https://www.unicode.org/iuc/iuc16/b040.html Notes on standards: https://www.xml.com/pub/2000/10/18/standards/index.html Quote: https://www.w3.org/Press/DOM-core.html XSL History: https://www.delightfulcomputing.com/xslfaq/xsl/sect1/history.html Elastos: https://medium.com/@CyberRepublic/elastos-rights-management-platform-suggestion-6b44f4e0182 WWW 2005 conference: https://www2005.org/tutorials.html Examplotron: http://examplotron.org/0/4/ LMNL mention: https://www.xmlhack.com/read.php_item=1790 XTND: http://xml.coverpages.org/xtnd.html Referenced in Foundations of markup languages https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110224948.83/pdf Basilage: https://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol7/html/Johnsen01/BalisageVol7-Johnsen01.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by TechMak ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Continued I am sending these things because the field is different and I hope someone would look in to it. A reference from Tim Bray https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2019/03/11/Lights-Going-Out Similar people on Wikipedia Rick_Jelliffe, Steven_DeRose, Dan_Connolly_(computer_scientist), Dave_Raggett, James_Clark_(programmer), Bert_Bos, Jon_Bosak. Something a bit more recent: https://open-music.org/our-api and https://open-music.org/blog/2016/10/3/deploy-deploy-deploy-dispatch-from-the-omi-tech-meeting - and this project most recently https://www.commoditygenomeproject.org/resources He wrote the ontology for this, which is available at: https://github.com/commoditygenome/CGP-core-description-framework — Preceding unsigned comment added by TechMak ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
continued comment As noted by Lamona, holding standards developers to the citation requirements of academics is inappropriate. Better measures of impact are inclusion of the standards into other standards, and adoption of the standards into everyday life. In the case of this person, their work on I18N directly led to standards that were included into the HTML and XML standards, and they made significant contributions to the DOM standard, and XSL among others. Those contributions are credited in the standards themselves, and those standards are some of the most widely adopted and influential standards on the web. It would be fair to say that if you are using Wikipedia, you are benefitting from the fruits of this labor.
That this should suffice is evidenced by the pages referenced above, and many others like them, where the primary notability of the individuals is in their standards work. Some of those people have more citations because they are more academic, or were more widely promoted, but few can claim to have their names on more than a single standard in use every day by every participant on the web. Note that some of those people - themselves experts in the field, directly credit this persons work.
Wikipedia is at least partly about capturing the historical record - the people, events and technologies that have influenced society. Obviously it needs to be protected from garbage and this is far from the case here. Being included and credited by name in multiple international standards (which are about the most independent and reliable documents you can get) is notable and these standards are universally adopted. In terms of citations - it’s like every application on the web citing the work. TechMak ( talk) 20:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
The result was delete. Star Mississippi 12:53, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
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While certainly accomplished, not enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG, and can't see how they meet WP:NSCHOLAR. Onel5969 TT me 12:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
And WP:NACADEMIC says if research has had a significant impact then it should be fine. Thanks TechMak ( talk) 20:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
In this case it is necessary to explicitly demonstrate, by a substantial number of references to academic publications of researchers other than the person in question, that this contribution is indeed widely considered to be significant and is widely attributed to the person in question.You cannot assess someone's impact based on the content they publish or what non-independent organizations say about them. JoelleJay ( talk) 21:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
continued His name is on 2 standards that are used by every browser, and the work established the technical foundation for I18N on the web... so it's incorporated into things people use every day. Mentioned here by Francois as seminal: https://www.w3.org/International/francois.yergeau.html Mentioned as being seminal by Rick: http://xml.coverpages.org/jelliffeERCSRetro.html IETF draft that led to rfc2070: https://www.w3.org/International/draft-ietf-html-i18n-05.txt RFC7303 attribution: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7303 (standard) Rfc2110 attribution: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2110 (standard) Attributed here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-html-cda Attribution in this presentation: https://slideplayer.com/slide/4709286/ Referenced here: https://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/html-authoring.html Referenced here: https://www.w3.org/TR/charmod/#Nicol (standard) Referenced here: https://www.w3.org/International/tomas.carrasco.benitez.html Referenced in this thesis: https://uknowledge.uky.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=cs_etds Referenced in this thesis: http://people.hum.aau.dk/~ulrikp/PhD/Sandborg-Petersen-PhD.pdf Referenced in this thesis: https://digibug.ugr.es/bitstream/handle/10481/48333/26785195.pdf?sequence=1 Referenced in this thesis: https://theses.hal.science/tel-00006373/document Referenced in X.1141 : Security Assertion Markup Language (SAML 2.0) (standard) https://www.itu.int/itu-t/workprog/wp_a5_td.aspx?i...https://www.itu.int › itu-t › workprog › wp_a5_td Bio/attribution: https://www.unicode.org/iuc/iuc16/b040.html Notes on standards: https://www.xml.com/pub/2000/10/18/standards/index.html Quote: https://www.w3.org/Press/DOM-core.html XSL History: https://www.delightfulcomputing.com/xslfaq/xsl/sect1/history.html Elastos: https://medium.com/@CyberRepublic/elastos-rights-management-platform-suggestion-6b44f4e0182 WWW 2005 conference: https://www2005.org/tutorials.html Examplotron: http://examplotron.org/0/4/ LMNL mention: https://www.xmlhack.com/read.php_item=1790 XTND: http://xml.coverpages.org/xtnd.html Referenced in Foundations of markup languages https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110224948.83/pdf Basilage: https://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol7/html/Johnsen01/BalisageVol7-Johnsen01.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by TechMak ( talk • contribs) 16:31, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
Continued I am sending these things because the field is different and I hope someone would look in to it. A reference from Tim Bray https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2019/03/11/Lights-Going-Out Similar people on Wikipedia Rick_Jelliffe, Steven_DeRose, Dan_Connolly_(computer_scientist), Dave_Raggett, James_Clark_(programmer), Bert_Bos, Jon_Bosak. Something a bit more recent: https://open-music.org/our-api and https://open-music.org/blog/2016/10/3/deploy-deploy-deploy-dispatch-from-the-omi-tech-meeting - and this project most recently https://www.commoditygenomeproject.org/resources He wrote the ontology for this, which is available at: https://github.com/commoditygenome/CGP-core-description-framework — Preceding unsigned comment added by TechMak ( talk • contribs) 20:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
continued comment As noted by Lamona, holding standards developers to the citation requirements of academics is inappropriate. Better measures of impact are inclusion of the standards into other standards, and adoption of the standards into everyday life. In the case of this person, their work on I18N directly led to standards that were included into the HTML and XML standards, and they made significant contributions to the DOM standard, and XSL among others. Those contributions are credited in the standards themselves, and those standards are some of the most widely adopted and influential standards on the web. It would be fair to say that if you are using Wikipedia, you are benefitting from the fruits of this labor.
That this should suffice is evidenced by the pages referenced above, and many others like them, where the primary notability of the individuals is in their standards work. Some of those people have more citations because they are more academic, or were more widely promoted, but few can claim to have their names on more than a single standard in use every day by every participant on the web. Note that some of those people - themselves experts in the field, directly credit this persons work.
Wikipedia is at least partly about capturing the historical record - the people, events and technologies that have influenced society. Obviously it needs to be protected from garbage and this is far from the case here. Being included and credited by name in multiple international standards (which are about the most independent and reliable documents you can get) is notable and these standards are universally adopted. In terms of citations - it’s like every application on the web citing the work. TechMak ( talk) 20:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)