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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Music1201 talk 07:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Fullersburg, Illinois
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Hoax article. Only cite is USGS info on some other place. Follows this user's pattern. Smartyllama ( talk) 17:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. Fullersburg is a real populated place according to GNIS ( 1771758) but the citation was wrong. Unlike other articles by the same creator, the coordinates are correct and the USGS says the the forest mentioned is nearby. The postal info is dubious however. USGS does not call this an independent U6 settlement. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep it's a real place, the extra stuff can be deleted if it cannot be verified, but that's true of most of our articles. :-( Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 22:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Carlossuarez46-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:10, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Merge with Hinsdale, Illinois. Fullersburg was one of the early settlements at what is now Hinsdale, according to this, but it's now part of incorporated Hinsdale and doesn't seem to justify having a separate article. TheCatalyst31 Reaction• Creation 00:41, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep: This is, so far, the only
Bnnnperdue (
talk ·
contribs) article creation I've seen that probably meets
WP:GNG. (See the chaos in all the similar nominations at
User talk:Bnnnperdue and
User:Closeapple/issues/User:Bnnnperdue.) Not only are there several sources available (assuming they're not all copying each other), but it's difficult to determine an appropriate parent article to merge to, because different soruces say different things — its history appears to be involved in the origin of both
Hinsdale and
Oak Brook. So it should probably be its own article unless shown otherwise. The first part of
http://www.dupagehistory.org/dupage_roots/Hinsdale_11.htm (same page TheCatalyst31 mentioned above) gives a history of Fullerburg, but that page says "Interest has spread to Oak Brook where old Fullersburg stood. An effort is underway to create an Historical Gateway linking the two towns, including Graue Mill, the Ben Fuller house and old St. John's Church." The 1874 subdivision plat map on that page doesn't match the names currently in use on
DuPage County GIS Parcel Viewer: For example, parts of what are "Original Plat of Hinsdale" on the 1874 map is in the subdivision "Town of Fullersburgh" (with an "h") on the GIS, and parts of what are in the subdivision "Plat of Hinsdale" on modern GIS is shown as "W. Robbins" on the 1874 map.
"Ben Fuller Farmhouse" on the Salt Creek Greenway Association website describes the "old Fullersburg" as being at "the present day intersection of Ogden Avenue and York Road", and "By 1860, Fullersburg had become one of the leading communities of DuPage County. Its buildings included 15 to 20 houses, two hotels, three taverns, a post office, a blacksmith shop, a school, a cemetery and a grist mill." There was a Fullerburg Historic Society as of last year: The website
http://www.fullersburg.org/ is down, but the society's presentation announcements have been in the paper: see for example
Daily Herald in September 2015. --
Closeapple (
talk)
04:28, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- I just rewrote the entire article and removed the remaining unreliable claims from the infobox. Also, when I noticed Graue Mill was part of Fullersburg, I just realized that I'd encountered this place name before: A year and a half ago I found a bunch of historic images on Commons that were said to be of Fullersburg, and put them in Commons:Category:Fullersburg, Illinois. Meeting WP:GNG looks pretty sure at this point. -- Closeapple ( talk) 08:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:00, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:00, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep I concur with Closeapple. There's enough information out there to pass WP:GNG. It certainly did exist, and we have credible sources to assert so. A geographic feature does not have to exist now to be notable, and the area in which this place existed isn't easily identifiable with one distinct community now, thus a merge is inappropriate. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 15:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Music1201 talk 07:42, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Fullersburg, Illinois
- Fullersburg, Illinois ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Hoax article. Only cite is USGS info on some other place. Follows this user's pattern. Smartyllama ( talk) 17:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. Fullersburg is a real populated place according to GNIS ( 1771758) but the citation was wrong. Unlike other articles by the same creator, the coordinates are correct and the USGS says the the forest mentioned is nearby. The postal info is dubious however. USGS does not call this an independent U6 settlement. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep it's a real place, the extra stuff can be deleted if it cannot be verified, but that's true of most of our articles. :-( Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 22:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per Carlossuarez46-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:10, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Merge with Hinsdale, Illinois. Fullersburg was one of the early settlements at what is now Hinsdale, according to this, but it's now part of incorporated Hinsdale and doesn't seem to justify having a separate article. TheCatalyst31 Reaction• Creation 00:41, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep: This is, so far, the only
Bnnnperdue (
talk ·
contribs) article creation I've seen that probably meets
WP:GNG. (See the chaos in all the similar nominations at
User talk:Bnnnperdue and
User:Closeapple/issues/User:Bnnnperdue.) Not only are there several sources available (assuming they're not all copying each other), but it's difficult to determine an appropriate parent article to merge to, because different soruces say different things — its history appears to be involved in the origin of both
Hinsdale and
Oak Brook. So it should probably be its own article unless shown otherwise. The first part of
http://www.dupagehistory.org/dupage_roots/Hinsdale_11.htm (same page TheCatalyst31 mentioned above) gives a history of Fullerburg, but that page says "Interest has spread to Oak Brook where old Fullersburg stood. An effort is underway to create an Historical Gateway linking the two towns, including Graue Mill, the Ben Fuller house and old St. John's Church." The 1874 subdivision plat map on that page doesn't match the names currently in use on
DuPage County GIS Parcel Viewer: For example, parts of what are "Original Plat of Hinsdale" on the 1874 map is in the subdivision "Town of Fullersburgh" (with an "h") on the GIS, and parts of what are in the subdivision "Plat of Hinsdale" on modern GIS is shown as "W. Robbins" on the 1874 map.
"Ben Fuller Farmhouse" on the Salt Creek Greenway Association website describes the "old Fullersburg" as being at "the present day intersection of Ogden Avenue and York Road", and "By 1860, Fullersburg had become one of the leading communities of DuPage County. Its buildings included 15 to 20 houses, two hotels, three taverns, a post office, a blacksmith shop, a school, a cemetery and a grist mill." There was a Fullerburg Historic Society as of last year: The website
http://www.fullersburg.org/ is down, but the society's presentation announcements have been in the paper: see for example
Daily Herald in September 2015. --
Closeapple (
talk)
04:28, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
- I just rewrote the entire article and removed the remaining unreliable claims from the infobox. Also, when I noticed Graue Mill was part of Fullersburg, I just realized that I'd encountered this place name before: A year and a half ago I found a bunch of historic images on Commons that were said to be of Fullersburg, and put them in Commons:Category:Fullersburg, Illinois. Meeting WP:GNG looks pretty sure at this point. -- Closeapple ( talk) 08:30, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:00, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:00, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- Keep I concur with Closeapple. There's enough information out there to pass WP:GNG. It certainly did exist, and we have credible sources to assert so. A geographic feature does not have to exist now to be notable, and the area in which this place existed isn't easily identifiable with one distinct community now, thus a merge is inappropriate. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 15:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.