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The result was no consensus. – bradv 🍁 14:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Friends and Heroes
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Non-notable TV series. PROD was removed without rationale for notability. Dronebogus ( talk) 04:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Easily meets WP:GNG. Even a quick google search is lined with mentions of the subject. Example: [ [1]] ClaudeDavid ( talk) 06:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment IMDb is not considered a reliable source. It’s a freely editable wiki just like Wikipedia, only with even looser standards. Also, most of the Google hits are websites directly connected in one way or another to the show itself. A reliable source must be independent of the original work. Dronebogus ( talk) 07:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Weak Delete, IMDB is not a reliable source, the coverage on this I could find was nothing more than promotional fluff pieces from people connected with the makers of this program. Therefore, this fails GNG and WP:NTV. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 10:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - there are some sources available but these may not do much to add notability. Likely to downgrade my vote if other more reliable sources can’t be found.
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/awardwinning.friends.and.heroes.release.next.instalments/18724.htm https://www.awn.com/news/fremantle-acquires-friends-and-heroes https://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/stories/view?articleid=1145 Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 17:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - requires references, but it is popular as Christian children animated series. JohnThorne ( talk) 21:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, I looked through the sources given above, and the Inspire Magazine article definitely contributes to notability. However, the other two articles found are pretty clearly promotional pieces, so they cannot do so. One more source would would be enough to pass GNG, and while I could find this: [2], it also seems promotional, though it is not as clear-cut as the other sources. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 21:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Covered on seven pages of "The Bible in Motion". There is some discussion of the director's work at Universal Film Magazine, issue 3 of 2012 It was also reviewed by a homeschooling magazine. Together, that means this article meets GNG. Also .imdb.com has entries for a number of episodes, although I don't think that counts.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 19:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment You are correct that IMDb does not count. The “Bible in Motion” thing also looks rather trivial. I didn’t look at it in depth, but if Universal Film Mag doesn’t specifically cover Friends and Heroes in any real detail it doesn’t count either. Dronebogus ( talk) 04:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- The "Bible in Motion" source is in depth; I read some of the book earlier around the time I posted. If you search for the topic and book name on google books you can somehow get it to preview the pages instead of blocking them. I linked to the index, though, so I can see how it appears trivial.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 05:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. I could find no coverage online to support notability, and looked thoroughly. 67.243.20.177 ( talk) 22:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Fully passes WP:TVSERIES as it is broadcast on regional and national stations. Sulfurboy ( talk) 04:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, b uidh e 05:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. – bradv 🍁 14:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Friends and Heroes
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Non-notable TV series. PROD was removed without rationale for notability. Dronebogus ( talk) 04:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Keep Easily meets WP:GNG. Even a quick google search is lined with mentions of the subject. Example: [ [1]] ClaudeDavid ( talk) 06:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment IMDb is not considered a reliable source. It’s a freely editable wiki just like Wikipedia, only with even looser standards. Also, most of the Google hits are websites directly connected in one way or another to the show itself. A reliable source must be independent of the original work. Dronebogus ( talk) 07:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Dronebogus ( talk) 04:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Dronebogus ( talk) 04:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Delete, IMDB is not a reliable source, the coverage on this I could find was nothing more than promotional fluff pieces from people connected with the makers of this program. Therefore, this fails GNG and WP:NTV. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 10:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - there are some sources available but these may not do much to add notability. Likely to downgrade my vote if other more reliable sources can’t be found.
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/awardwinning.friends.and.heroes.release.next.instalments/18724.htm https://www.awn.com/news/fremantle-acquires-friends-and-heroes https://www.inspiremagazine.org.uk/stories/view?articleid=1145 Cardiffbear88 ( talk) 17:22, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - requires references, but it is popular as Christian children animated series. JohnThorne ( talk) 21:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, I looked through the sources given above, and the Inspire Magazine article definitely contributes to notability. However, the other two articles found are pretty clearly promotional pieces, so they cannot do so. One more source would would be enough to pass GNG, and while I could find this: [2], it also seems promotional, though it is not as clear-cut as the other sources. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 21:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep - Covered on seven pages of "The Bible in Motion". There is some discussion of the director's work at Universal Film Magazine, issue 3 of 2012 It was also reviewed by a homeschooling magazine. Together, that means this article meets GNG. Also .imdb.com has entries for a number of episodes, although I don't think that counts.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 19:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Comment You are correct that IMDb does not count. The “Bible in Motion” thing also looks rather trivial. I didn’t look at it in depth, but if Universal Film Mag doesn’t specifically cover Friends and Heroes in any real detail it doesn’t count either. Dronebogus ( talk) 04:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
- The "Bible in Motion" source is in depth; I read some of the book earlier around the time I posted. If you search for the topic and book name on google books you can somehow get it to preview the pages instead of blocking them. I linked to the index, though, so I can see how it appears trivial.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 05:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. I could find no coverage online to support notability, and looked thoroughly. 67.243.20.177 ( talk) 22:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Fully passes WP:TVSERIES as it is broadcast on regional and national stations. Sulfurboy ( talk) 04:25, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – bradv 🍁 06:29, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, b uidh e 05:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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