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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Fredrick J. Villari
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Non notable martial artist. Originally deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred villari. Fails to meet WP:MANOTE or WP:GNG. The coverage is not independent and significant while making yourself a 12th dan of an art you created does not show notability. Jakejr ( talk) 02:41, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent| lambast 03:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete: It's actually surprising that I haven't found references of Villari as a bullshido peddler; there was a good bit of it in the specialized martial arts press. There are certainly good newspaper references to his company -- weeding out outright ads being done -- but no reliable sources describing Villari himself. Ravenswing 05:30, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable martial artist. Certainly a prodigious creator of websites but no significant coverage of him found in independent reliable sources. Philg88 ♦ talk 06:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge and Redirect Self promotional to the n'th degree (12 in this case). Not enough for stand alone article but could be incorporated into Shaolin Kempo Karate. Latter could do with a few more third party references. Peter Rehse ( talk) 12:25, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Why delete an article about a founder of a martial arts style? If not kept, then should be redirected or merged with other martial arts styles instead of deleted. To delete is to remove the history surrounding the style. Strawberrie Fields ( talk) 21:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Because notability on Wikipedia isn't determined by what someone claims to have founded; it's determined, in this case, by WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:MANOTE. Since there are, in fact, no independent, reliable, third-party, published sources discussing Villari -- all I've got is independent confirmation that he exists, and that he has a 39-year-old namesake son living in Massachusetts -- an article on him cannot be sustained. Ravenswing 02:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Fredrick J. Villari
- Fredrick J. Villari ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Non notable martial artist. Originally deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fred villari. Fails to meet WP:MANOTE or WP:GNG. The coverage is not independent and significant while making yourself a 12th dan of an art you created does not show notability. Jakejr ( talk) 02:41, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent| lambast 03:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent| lambast 03:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. lavender|(formerly HMSSolent| lambast 03:04, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete: It's actually surprising that I haven't found references of Villari as a bullshido peddler; there was a good bit of it in the specialized martial arts press. There are certainly good newspaper references to his company -- weeding out outright ads being done -- but no reliable sources describing Villari himself. Ravenswing 05:30, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable martial artist. Certainly a prodigious creator of websites but no significant coverage of him found in independent reliable sources. Philg88 ♦ talk 06:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge and Redirect Self promotional to the n'th degree (12 in this case). Not enough for stand alone article but could be incorporated into Shaolin Kempo Karate. Latter could do with a few more third party references. Peter Rehse ( talk) 12:25, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Why delete an article about a founder of a martial arts style? If not kept, then should be redirected or merged with other martial arts styles instead of deleted. To delete is to remove the history surrounding the style. Strawberrie Fields ( talk) 21:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: Because notability on Wikipedia isn't determined by what someone claims to have founded; it's determined, in this case, by WP:GNG, WP:BIO and WP:MANOTE. Since there are, in fact, no independent, reliable, third-party, published sources discussing Villari -- all I've got is independent confirmation that he exists, and that he has a 39-year-old namesake son living in Massachusetts -- an article on him cannot be sustained. Ravenswing 02:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
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