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The result was delete. The only "keep" argument is "has search results", which isn't the same as actual reliable sources. Sandstein 20:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Frederick Arthur Sefton Cottom
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No clear assertion of notability, lacks significant coverage to establish it. Reywas92 Talk 18:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Comment. The article asserts (without a source I can see) that he is a Fellow of the
Royal College of Organists. (I had to look up what "FRCO" means, but that's what
List of post-nominal letters (United Kingdom) says.) That looks like an assertion of notability to me. I'll see if I can verify it.
AleatoryPonderings (
talk)
22:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Weak delete. Well, I found a bio from his publisher that asserts that he is indeed a FRCO (
[1]), but that is not a very good source. He may meet
WP:COMPOSER as I found a few reviews of his delightfully named Various Trouts, but they are not especially substantial reviews. If someone finds a good source for the FRCO claim, I'd say that meets
WP:ANYBIO or would confer notability analogously to membership in other royal societies for
WP:NPROF #3 purposes, but in the absence of a good source I end up on the "delete" side of things. Note to others: I only found search results by searching for
Sefton Cottom; using his first two names in addition is not fruitful. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 22:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)- FRCOs are not elected as academics are to the academies, they just have to pass an exam, per [2]. This is certainly not ANYBIO (obviously not "well-known and significant"!) and not analogous to being an accomplished professor/researcher. Reywas92 Talk 22:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Weak delete. Well, I found a bio from his publisher that asserts that he is indeed a FRCO (
[1]), but that is not a very good source. He may meet
WP:COMPOSER as I found a few reviews of his delightfully named Various Trouts, but they are not especially substantial reviews. If someone finds a good source for the FRCO claim, I'd say that meets
WP:ANYBIO or would confer notability analogously to membership in other royal societies for
WP:NPROF #3 purposes, but in the absence of a good source I end up on the "delete" side of things. Note to others: I only found search results by searching for
- Keep using other search terms such as: "Frederick Arthur Sefton Cottom organ" yields many results, and books. The person passes. The organist meets the criteria for
WP:COMPOSER.
Lightburst (
talk)
17:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- I did that search and it's just mirrors and passing mentions. Can you please specify which of these results is significant coverage for GNG? I can't tell which of these six criteria he's supposed to meet – have his compositions won awards or been used in other places for them to be notable? Various Trouts doesn't have anything written about it in search results. Reywas92 Talk 17:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - I found several books under his short name. Is that good enough? Bearian ( talk) 16:23, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 01:34, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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The result was delete. The only "keep" argument is "has search results", which isn't the same as actual reliable sources. Sandstein 20:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Frederick Arthur Sefton Cottom
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No clear assertion of notability, lacks significant coverage to establish it. Reywas92 Talk 18:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Reywas92 Talk 18:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment. The article asserts (without a source I can see) that he is a Fellow of the
Royal College of Organists. (I had to look up what "FRCO" means, but that's what
List of post-nominal letters (United Kingdom) says.) That looks like an assertion of notability to me. I'll see if I can verify it.
AleatoryPonderings (
talk)
22:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Weak delete. Well, I found a bio from his publisher that asserts that he is indeed a FRCO (
[1]), but that is not a very good source. He may meet
WP:COMPOSER as I found a few reviews of his delightfully named Various Trouts, but they are not especially substantial reviews. If someone finds a good source for the FRCO claim, I'd say that meets
WP:ANYBIO or would confer notability analogously to membership in other royal societies for
WP:NPROF #3 purposes, but in the absence of a good source I end up on the "delete" side of things. Note to others: I only found search results by searching for
Sefton Cottom; using his first two names in addition is not fruitful. AleatoryPonderings ( talk) 22:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)- FRCOs are not elected as academics are to the academies, they just have to pass an exam, per [2]. This is certainly not ANYBIO (obviously not "well-known and significant"!) and not analogous to being an accomplished professor/researcher. Reywas92 Talk 22:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Weak delete. Well, I found a bio from his publisher that asserts that he is indeed a FRCO (
[1]), but that is not a very good source. He may meet
WP:COMPOSER as I found a few reviews of his delightfully named Various Trouts, but they are not especially substantial reviews. If someone finds a good source for the FRCO claim, I'd say that meets
WP:ANYBIO or would confer notability analogously to membership in other royal societies for
WP:NPROF #3 purposes, but in the absence of a good source I end up on the "delete" side of things. Note to others: I only found search results by searching for
- Keep using other search terms such as: "Frederick Arthur Sefton Cottom organ" yields many results, and books. The person passes. The organist meets the criteria for
WP:COMPOSER.
Lightburst (
talk)
17:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- I did that search and it's just mirrors and passing mentions. Can you please specify which of these results is significant coverage for GNG? I can't tell which of these six criteria he's supposed to meet – have his compositions won awards or been used in other places for them to be notable? Various Trouts doesn't have anything written about it in search results. Reywas92 Talk 17:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - I found several books under his short name. Is that good enough? Bearian ( talk) 16:23, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 01:34, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 01:34, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 11:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stefka Bulgaria ( talk) 11:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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