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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 23:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Franck Guedegbe
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Does not pass WP:GNG. Regarding WP:NFOOTY, he has played in the Ivory Coast (not professional), Morocco (before they became professional in 2011), Syria (after they "lost" their professionalism in 2011), and Gabon (not professional). He has also not played for any senior national team. Nehme1499 ( talk) 16:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 11:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep he fails NFootball, because despite years of play in top professional African leagues, there isn't the money in African football for the entire league to be fully professional. Yet he's played on top teams, playing in at least 3 different CAF Confederation Cups for at least 2 different teams. He's played on 3 different top teams in both Gabon and Ivory Coast - yet I don't find one iota of local coverage - it just doesn't seem to exist on the Internet, and I find no newspapers archives. But I do find international coverage for this period for him, especially because in one game he scored 5 goals in a record setting CAF Confederation Cup victory. Also he had national caps for the Ivory Coast in the 2009 African Nations Championship but before FIFA started to consider the teams as being full internationals. I've added some references. Nfitz ( talk) 06:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
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Keep per above. BMB 722 ( talk) 05:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Keep per user:nfitz. If you play for well known sports teams you can have an article. Flashy724 ( talk) 15:31, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- That is literally not the case. WP:NFOOTBALL requires you to play a first-team competitive game in a fully-professional league, not simply be on the roster, while WP:GNG requires significant coverage. This player has/meets neither of those. Giant Snowman 16:26, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - I have struck the above two !votes as the accounts in question have both been blocked for sock puppetry. Giant Snowman 16:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete fails the notability guidelines for footballers since he never played in a game in a fully professional league. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:45, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - I can't see how GNG or NFOOTY are met therefore it should be deleted Spiderone 21:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I improved the article further, adding in his appearance for tournament-winning Ivory Coast in the 2008 UEMOA Tournament, where he scored a goal in the final. I've also found evidence he appeared for the Morocco team into 2011 - just before the league was considered fully professional (starting in 2011-12). What I can't find is Gabonese media ... period. Can someone suggest a good source of Gabonese newspapers archives ... otherwise I think we have systemic WP:BIAS issues here. Nfitz ( talk) 19:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Given the efforts at improving and potential difficulty of locating Gabonese sources, I am giving this a third relist.
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Relisting comment: Given the efforts at improving and potential difficulty of locating Gabonese sources, I am giving this a third relist.
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- Delete - unless GNG-level sourcing can be found, this ought to be deleted. I doubt there will be significant coverage in any Gabonese media, given that none could be found in Ivorian, Moroccan or Syrian media, though I'm happy to change my vote if there are good sources. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 21:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete since there isn't the sourcing needed for him to pass WP:GNG. Which I don't see changing any time soon. It's unfortunate, because maybe it could be systemic bias (although I doubt it), but we still have to follow the notability guidelines if it is. There's really no way to prove that's why he's being covered anyway though. -- Adamant1 ( talk) 08:33, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - Article about semi-pro footballer who isn't the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. The only online coverage of him consists of match reports which only indicate he appeared in the matchday squad (e.g., [1]). There is nothing in-depth or that suggests this article could ever be GNG-compliant. Jogurney ( talk) 16:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Fenix down ( talk) 23:00, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Franck Guedegbe
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Does not pass WP:GNG. Regarding WP:NFOOTY, he has played in the Ivory Coast (not professional), Morocco (before they became professional in 2011), Syria (after they "lost" their professionalism in 2011), and Gabon (not professional). He has also not played for any senior national team. Nehme1499 ( talk) 16:18, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 11:24, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - fails GNG and NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 11:29, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep he fails NFootball, because despite years of play in top professional African leagues, there isn't the money in African football for the entire league to be fully professional. Yet he's played on top teams, playing in at least 3 different CAF Confederation Cups for at least 2 different teams. He's played on 3 different top teams in both Gabon and Ivory Coast - yet I don't find one iota of local coverage - it just doesn't seem to exist on the Internet, and I find no newspapers archives. But I do find international coverage for this period for him, especially because in one game he scored 5 goals in a record setting CAF Confederation Cup victory. Also he had national caps for the Ivory Coast in the 2009 African Nations Championship but before FIFA started to consider the teams as being full internationals. I've added some references. Nfitz ( talk) 06:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 22:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
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Keep per above. BMB 722 ( talk) 05:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Keep per user:nfitz. If you play for well known sports teams you can have an article. Flashy724 ( talk) 15:31, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- That is literally not the case. WP:NFOOTBALL requires you to play a first-team competitive game in a fully-professional league, not simply be on the roster, while WP:GNG requires significant coverage. This player has/meets neither of those. Giant Snowman 16:26, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment - I have struck the above two !votes as the accounts in question have both been blocked for sock puppetry. Giant Snowman 16:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 15:23, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete fails the notability guidelines for footballers since he never played in a game in a fully professional league. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:45, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - I can't see how GNG or NFOOTY are met therefore it should be deleted Spiderone 21:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Comment I improved the article further, adding in his appearance for tournament-winning Ivory Coast in the 2008 UEMOA Tournament, where he scored a goal in the final. I've also found evidence he appeared for the Morocco team into 2011 - just before the league was considered fully professional (starting in 2011-12). What I can't find is Gabonese media ... period. Can someone suggest a good source of Gabonese newspapers archives ... otherwise I think we have systemic WP:BIAS issues here. Nfitz ( talk) 19:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given the efforts at improving and potential difficulty of locating Gabonese sources, I am giving this a third relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 21:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Given the efforts at improving and potential difficulty of locating Gabonese sources, I am giving this a third relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 21:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - unless GNG-level sourcing can be found, this ought to be deleted. I doubt there will be significant coverage in any Gabonese media, given that none could be found in Ivorian, Moroccan or Syrian media, though I'm happy to change my vote if there are good sources. Microwave Anarchist ( talk) 21:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete since there isn't the sourcing needed for him to pass WP:GNG. Which I don't see changing any time soon. It's unfortunate, because maybe it could be systemic bias (although I doubt it), but we still have to follow the notability guidelines if it is. There's really no way to prove that's why he's being covered anyway though. -- Adamant1 ( talk) 08:33, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - Article about semi-pro footballer who isn't the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. The only online coverage of him consists of match reports which only indicate he appeared in the matchday squad (e.g., [1]). There is nothing in-depth or that suggests this article could ever be GNG-compliant. Jogurney ( talk) 16:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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