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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 16:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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non-notable rapper, sourced entirely to blackhat SEO and a raging advert. And for clarification, this source (which is paid for blackhat spam) this (also blackhat spam) and this source (also SEO spam) are written by the same PR person, this is written by the "owner" of the first source Praxidicae ( talk) 14:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 14:07, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep: The artist is notable and has made it to Top 2 in iTunes in France, with 4 songs released in a 5-month span all with professional music videos accompanied from a 2020 album 36000 Années Lumière all originals. The music videos have made a total of 26 million views only on YouTube ("Zayn" (7m), "Pardonne-moi" (12m), "Aya" (4m) and "Mi Reina" (3m)). There are similar numbers in other social media. The artist also has a previous album from 2018 entitled Ünga Vida proving longevity and the artist has been around prior to that as well. If one of the sources is similar to another source, it doesn't mean it is a PR job. The journalist himself works in more than one media outlet. The articles mentioned are based on interviews given to the outlets and of course would have similar stories as they are done in a limited span of time and were timed for the promotion for the imminent launch of the album in October 2020. But the similarities don't mean mean they are written by an assigned SEO. Information usually gets repeated in multiple sources even in reputable sources. The article is about an artist that is notable and I nominate it to stay.
werldwayd (
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16:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
But the similarities don't mean mean they are written by an assigned SEO. Information usually gets repeated in multiple sources even in reputable sources.
Did you read the sources? Because three of the 4 that aren't itunes are written by the same person ( [1] [2] [3])Sergio Centeno is a PR Expert that helps brands establish credibility and create brand awareness. He specializes in helping brands get recognized by prestigious publications and featured on major news outlets
and the last is just a copy of the other three which are all paid for pieces. Secondly, itunes rankings mean absolutely nothing - it's not a chart. I'd expect an editor of your tenure to know this much. Praxidicae ( talk) 16:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Some notable songs there, but obviously needs more citations. – Cupper52 Discuss! 17:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Seems to demonstrate notability. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 15:48, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Care to share these mysterious reliable sources that have coverage of him that you apparently have, CaffeinAddict? Praxidicae ( talk) 19:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Another Upcoming rapper that is struggling to be known, even the few source provided on the article says .. MEET THE UPCOMING RAPPER : [1] Samat lib ( talk) 19:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. it FAILS WP:MUSICBIO No evidence of Notability. Nothing to talk about Samat lib ( talk) 19:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per policy with which some of the above commenters seem to be lacking familiarity. -- a they/them | argue | contribs 19:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for musicians. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep, this article is barely keep worthy. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 07:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 15:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 15:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Hmmm. #2 in iTunes France, (but no article in French Wikipedia), millions of streams on Youtube, songs appear everywhere on lyrics sites and streaming services, but virtually nothing about the man himself anywhere on the internet? (Apart from what has been written by the same, self-described "PR expert".) Someone has been very busy. I think delete unless something more concrete about the artist himself appears on reliable third party sources. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Escape Orbit: Yes, it does not exist in any other language. – Cupper52 Discuss! 11:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete iTunes charts are gameable, and apart from that there's vanishingly little claim of notability; apart from the "PR expert"'s articles there's basically no coverage of this person. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 03:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Missvain ( talk) 16:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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non-notable rapper, sourced entirely to blackhat SEO and a raging advert. And for clarification, this source (which is paid for blackhat spam) this (also blackhat spam) and this source (also SEO spam) are written by the same PR person, this is written by the "owner" of the first source Praxidicae ( talk) 14:04, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 14:07, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 14:07, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: The artist is notable and has made it to Top 2 in iTunes in France, with 4 songs released in a 5-month span all with professional music videos accompanied from a 2020 album 36000 Années Lumière all originals. The music videos have made a total of 26 million views only on YouTube ("Zayn" (7m), "Pardonne-moi" (12m), "Aya" (4m) and "Mi Reina" (3m)). There are similar numbers in other social media. The artist also has a previous album from 2018 entitled Ünga Vida proving longevity and the artist has been around prior to that as well. If one of the sources is similar to another source, it doesn't mean it is a PR job. The journalist himself works in more than one media outlet. The articles mentioned are based on interviews given to the outlets and of course would have similar stories as they are done in a limited span of time and were timed for the promotion for the imminent launch of the album in October 2020. But the similarities don't mean mean they are written by an assigned SEO. Information usually gets repeated in multiple sources even in reputable sources. The article is about an artist that is notable and I nominate it to stay.
werldwayd (
talk)
16:39, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
But the similarities don't mean mean they are written by an assigned SEO. Information usually gets repeated in multiple sources even in reputable sources.
Did you read the sources? Because three of the 4 that aren't itunes are written by the same person ( [1] [2] [3])Sergio Centeno is a PR Expert that helps brands establish credibility and create brand awareness. He specializes in helping brands get recognized by prestigious publications and featured on major news outlets
and the last is just a copy of the other three which are all paid for pieces. Secondly, itunes rankings mean absolutely nothing - it's not a chart. I'd expect an editor of your tenure to know this much. Praxidicae ( talk) 16:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Some notable songs there, but obviously needs more citations. – Cupper52 Discuss! 17:36, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- Keep Seems to demonstrate notability. CaffeinAddict ( talk) 15:48, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Care to share these mysterious reliable sources that have coverage of him that you apparently have, CaffeinAddict? Praxidicae ( talk) 19:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Comment Another Upcoming rapper that is struggling to be known, even the few source provided on the article says .. MEET THE UPCOMING RAPPER : [1] Samat lib ( talk) 19:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. it FAILS WP:MUSICBIO No evidence of Notability. Nothing to talk about Samat lib ( talk) 19:25, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per policy with which some of the above commenters seem to be lacking familiarity. -- a they/them | argue | contribs 19:30, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet our inclusion criteria for musicians. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 21:12, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
- Weak keep, this article is barely keep worthy. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 07:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 15:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain ( talk) 15:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. Hmmm. #2 in iTunes France, (but no article in French Wikipedia), millions of streams on Youtube, songs appear everywhere on lyrics sites and streaming services, but virtually nothing about the man himself anywhere on the internet? (Apart from what has been written by the same, self-described "PR expert".) Someone has been very busy. I think delete unless something more concrete about the artist himself appears on reliable third party sources. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:55, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
@ Escape Orbit: Yes, it does not exist in any other language. – Cupper52 Discuss! 11:21, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
- Delete iTunes charts are gameable, and apart from that there's vanishingly little claim of notability; apart from the "PR expert"'s articles there's basically no coverage of this person. power~enwiki ( π, ν) 03:04, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
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