The result was Rename to Politics of Khuzestan and keep for now. Although it shows POV, I can't see that it was forked solely with that intention. The main Khuzestan Province article would be too big and unbalanced with this included. If the issues aren't cleaned up quickly feel free to bring it back here. Yomangani talk 11:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC) reply
Article is a clear POV fork, non-encyclopedic, contains much WP:OR and parts fail WP:V. If we look at the Talk:Ethnic politics of Khuzestan we find that the article was about the Ahvaz Bombings which now has an article, and all the useful informations here are already at Ahvaz Bombings, Khuzestan, History of Khuzestan, and Arabs of Khuzestan. When it was started it should have taken to Wikinews. Anything that is WP:V here should be moved to the articles I mention previously. This article is not needed and there is no similar article like it anywhere in other resources or encyclopedias and the title is WP:OR. Khorshid 10:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC) reply
*Keep We have to develop "Ethnic politics of Khuzestan" article, instead of removing it. Human rights related articles have to be kept before all else.--
Karcha
22:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
reply
Amnesty International has highlighted a number of human rights abuses against Ahwazi Arabs in Khuzestan. In 2005, these included:
The persecution of Arabs in Khuzestan
http://web.amnesty.org/wire/October2005/Iran
The alleged killing of at least 31 people in unrest in April 2005
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130172005?open&of=ENG-IRN
The arbitrary arrest, possible torture and incommunicado detentention of Arab writer and journalist Yusef Azizi Bani-Torof
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130202005?open&of=ENG-IRN
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130322005?open&of=ENG-IRN
The incommunicado detention of Taher Mahmoud Tamimi, Mohammad Jalali and at least 37 others in a government crack-down following unrest in April
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130482005?open&of=ENG-IRN
The incommunicado detention and possible torture of close relatives of Arab tribal leader Hajj Salem Bawi
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130512005?open&of=ENG-IRN
The incommunicado detention and possible torture of Hamid Qate'Pour (teacher), Emad Rafi'i (teacher) and Mohammad Hezbawi (also known as Hezbaee Zadeh) (newspaper editor)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130592005?open&of=ENG-IRN
Four Arabs arrested during demonstrations during El Al-Fitr in 6 November
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130762005?open&of=ENG-IRN
Amnesty has also claimed that "hundreds" of Arabs were arrested in 2005 during a crack-down on anti-government demonstrations.
I'm not confused anything, but i think the confused one is you. Spend more time for reading and learning instead of disparaging everything-- Karcha 16:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC) reply
Keep: politics should not influence history. Unfortunately some with ultra-nationalist, anti-Arab ideology want to influence this respectable forum that should be an educational tool. Arabs of Iran as a non-dominant, ethnic, linguistic and a national minority have never had the opportunity to express their identity in a Persian-dominated Iran during both, the monarchist or the current clerical regime. So it is just to allow this minority a few lines in Wikipedia. It is utterly undemocratic for the Persians to push for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alsaid ( talk • contribs) — Alsaid ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
KEEP Please: Ahwazi-Arabs are indigenous to the area of Khuzestan. They date back before Islam. About 5000 years ago, long before the Achaemenid left Russia and headed toward the Iranian plateau, a Semitic nation by the name of Elamite lived in Khuzestan. They have left us signs of their blooming civilization in the ruins of Susa, Ghagharzanbill and other parts of Khuzestan, Lurestan and Fars. The Old Testament mentions their name for the first time. So we the Arabs of Iran are decedents of the Elimite. Kasravi, a well respected Iranian historian, in his book titled “500 years history of Khuzestan” writes "but it is certain and there is proof for it that during the Parthian era Arab tribes were living in provinces of Kerman, Khuzestan, Bahrain and Fars". Kasravi refers to the Tabari history book, the first Muslim historian whose work is still universally accepted and writes ‘Aam (banu-Am tribe). This means during the Sasanid era, Iran had many kingdoms, of which Aghlim al-Ahwaz (province of al-Ahwaz) was one. Other historians such as Mohammad Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Batota and ibn Athir travel books as well as many other historians such as bin abi Yaaghobi, ibn Haghol, Estakhri, Nasser Khssrow, ibn Balkhi, el-Kamil, Habib al-Sair, Askendar Beg, Najm al molik Ghafari and others reference the existence of Indigenous Ahwazi Arabs in Eghlim (region) of al-Ahwaz or Arabistan, in one way or the other. So to say there are other ethnic groups live in Iran, it may be true but they are not indigenes to the area. In fact up to the discovery of oil in Khuzestan in 1908, the area was 100% was inhabited by indigenous Ahwazi-Arab tribes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alsaid ( talk • contribs) — Alsaid ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Keep - The subject is noteworthy and is an issue of growing media interest due to human rights issues and unfounded claims by the Iranian regime that Western governments are responsible for unrest in the province. If there are concerns about the title, then it should be changed. A section is also needed on the province's Mandean community, which is also subjected to discrimination and state terrorism. But as the Arabs are the largest ethnic group, they naturally receive the most coverage. The issues go well beyond recent bomb attacks. Additionally, the article as it stands has 64 references, mostly Amnesty International but also including Bloomburg, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Al-Jazeera and other reliable news sources. Therefore, the claims of breaching WP:OR and WP:V policies are questionable - indeed, this article is one of the most heavily referenced on Wikipedia.-- الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 21:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC) reply
The result was Rename to Politics of Khuzestan and keep for now. Although it shows POV, I can't see that it was forked solely with that intention. The main Khuzestan Province article would be too big and unbalanced with this included. If the issues aren't cleaned up quickly feel free to bring it back here. Yomangani talk 11:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC) reply
Article is a clear POV fork, non-encyclopedic, contains much WP:OR and parts fail WP:V. If we look at the Talk:Ethnic politics of Khuzestan we find that the article was about the Ahvaz Bombings which now has an article, and all the useful informations here are already at Ahvaz Bombings, Khuzestan, History of Khuzestan, and Arabs of Khuzestan. When it was started it should have taken to Wikinews. Anything that is WP:V here should be moved to the articles I mention previously. This article is not needed and there is no similar article like it anywhere in other resources or encyclopedias and the title is WP:OR. Khorshid 10:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC) reply
*Keep We have to develop "Ethnic politics of Khuzestan" article, instead of removing it. Human rights related articles have to be kept before all else.--
Karcha
22:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
reply
Amnesty International has highlighted a number of human rights abuses against Ahwazi Arabs in Khuzestan. In 2005, these included:
The persecution of Arabs in Khuzestan
http://web.amnesty.org/wire/October2005/Iran
The alleged killing of at least 31 people in unrest in April 2005
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130172005?open&of=ENG-IRN
The arbitrary arrest, possible torture and incommunicado detentention of Arab writer and journalist Yusef Azizi Bani-Torof
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130202005?open&of=ENG-IRN
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130322005?open&of=ENG-IRN
The incommunicado detention of Taher Mahmoud Tamimi, Mohammad Jalali and at least 37 others in a government crack-down following unrest in April
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130482005?open&of=ENG-IRN
The incommunicado detention and possible torture of close relatives of Arab tribal leader Hajj Salem Bawi
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130512005?open&of=ENG-IRN
The incommunicado detention and possible torture of Hamid Qate'Pour (teacher), Emad Rafi'i (teacher) and Mohammad Hezbawi (also known as Hezbaee Zadeh) (newspaper editor)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130592005?open&of=ENG-IRN
Four Arabs arrested during demonstrations during El Al-Fitr in 6 November
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE130762005?open&of=ENG-IRN
Amnesty has also claimed that "hundreds" of Arabs were arrested in 2005 during a crack-down on anti-government demonstrations.
I'm not confused anything, but i think the confused one is you. Spend more time for reading and learning instead of disparaging everything-- Karcha 16:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC) reply
Keep: politics should not influence history. Unfortunately some with ultra-nationalist, anti-Arab ideology want to influence this respectable forum that should be an educational tool. Arabs of Iran as a non-dominant, ethnic, linguistic and a national minority have never had the opportunity to express their identity in a Persian-dominated Iran during both, the monarchist or the current clerical regime. So it is just to allow this minority a few lines in Wikipedia. It is utterly undemocratic for the Persians to push for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alsaid ( talk • contribs) — Alsaid ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
KEEP Please: Ahwazi-Arabs are indigenous to the area of Khuzestan. They date back before Islam. About 5000 years ago, long before the Achaemenid left Russia and headed toward the Iranian plateau, a Semitic nation by the name of Elamite lived in Khuzestan. They have left us signs of their blooming civilization in the ruins of Susa, Ghagharzanbill and other parts of Khuzestan, Lurestan and Fars. The Old Testament mentions their name for the first time. So we the Arabs of Iran are decedents of the Elimite. Kasravi, a well respected Iranian historian, in his book titled “500 years history of Khuzestan” writes "but it is certain and there is proof for it that during the Parthian era Arab tribes were living in provinces of Kerman, Khuzestan, Bahrain and Fars". Kasravi refers to the Tabari history book, the first Muslim historian whose work is still universally accepted and writes ‘Aam (banu-Am tribe). This means during the Sasanid era, Iran had many kingdoms, of which Aghlim al-Ahwaz (province of al-Ahwaz) was one. Other historians such as Mohammad Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Batota and ibn Athir travel books as well as many other historians such as bin abi Yaaghobi, ibn Haghol, Estakhri, Nasser Khssrow, ibn Balkhi, el-Kamil, Habib al-Sair, Askendar Beg, Najm al molik Ghafari and others reference the existence of Indigenous Ahwazi Arabs in Eghlim (region) of al-Ahwaz or Arabistan, in one way or the other. So to say there are other ethnic groups live in Iran, it may be true but they are not indigenes to the area. In fact up to the discovery of oil in Khuzestan in 1908, the area was 100% was inhabited by indigenous Ahwazi-Arab tribes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alsaid ( talk • contribs) — Alsaid ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Keep - The subject is noteworthy and is an issue of growing media interest due to human rights issues and unfounded claims by the Iranian regime that Western governments are responsible for unrest in the province. If there are concerns about the title, then it should be changed. A section is also needed on the province's Mandean community, which is also subjected to discrimination and state terrorism. But as the Arabs are the largest ethnic group, they naturally receive the most coverage. The issues go well beyond recent bomb attacks. Additionally, the article as it stands has 64 references, mostly Amnesty International but also including Bloomburg, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, Al-Jazeera and other reliable news sources. Therefore, the claims of breaching WP:OR and WP:V policies are questionable - indeed, this article is one of the most heavily referenced on Wikipedia.-- الأهواز | Hamid | Ahwaz 21:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC) reply