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The result was no consensus. Fenix down ( talk) 07:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Enoch Gilchrist
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Footballer who didn't appear at international level or in a fully professional league (all appearances were in old Scottish Second Division), so falls WP:NFOOTY. No indication of significant non-routine coverage to otherwise satisfy WP:GNG. Jellyman ( talk) 18:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep The Scottish second tier (unless you are reffering to a different league) is listed at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. Therefore he has played in what is now a proffessional league (whether or not it was then) and therefore passes
WP:NFOOTY. Thanks,
AlessandroTiandelli333 (
talk)
21:14, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's not abundantly clear from
WP:FPL, but Scotland these days has four divisions (top tier of 12, then three tiers of 10), whereas in the 1960s / early 70s, there was only two divisions (top tier of 18, second tier of 19/20). There is generally only around 20 full time clubs, at most. Full time teams in the Second Division then would have been very rare, most would attract only a few hundred spectators.
Jellyman (
talk)
22:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- I would say Hamilton Academical is a fairly well established team. Playing 94 games for them in the Scottish Second Tier looks like a WP:NFOOTY pass to me. Lets see what other editors think. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 23:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's not abundantly clear from
WP:FPL, but Scotland these days has four divisions (top tier of 12, then three tiers of 10), whereas in the 1960s / early 70s, there was only two divisions (top tier of 18, second tier of 19/20). There is generally only around 20 full time clubs, at most. Full time teams in the Second Division then would have been very rare, most would attract only a few hundred spectators.
Jellyman (
talk)
22:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree with @ Jellyman: that WP:FPL needs updating (and that is a discussion to be had at WT:FPL) because my understanding is that the Scottish 2nd tier only became considered fully pro when the Scottish Premier League was founded in 1998? As such, this player fails NFOOTBALL - and also, importantly, GNG. Giant Snowman 09:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:NFOOTY as far as I can see. Also there are literally hundreds of articles like this and many of them far less notable then this one. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 11:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 18:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 18:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep lots of late 1960s Scottish media coverage - which should be no surprise with 10-years of second-tier Scottish football. While not everyone who ever walked on the pitch in the second tier might have been notable, a decade of play, and hundreds of matches, is going to get media coverage. I'd assume this is the same Enoch Gilchrist that played for Hamilton Croatia from about 1971 to at least 1973 - but I can't prove it. Nfitz ( talk) 22:41, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not really moved closer to consensus
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Relisting comment: Not really moved closer to consensus
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The result was no consensus. Fenix down ( talk) 07:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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Footballer who didn't appear at international level or in a fully professional league (all appearances were in old Scottish Second Division), so falls WP:NFOOTY. No indication of significant non-routine coverage to otherwise satisfy WP:GNG. Jellyman ( talk) 18:41, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep The Scottish second tier (unless you are reffering to a different league) is listed at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. Therefore he has played in what is now a proffessional league (whether or not it was then) and therefore passes
WP:NFOOTY. Thanks,
AlessandroTiandelli333 (
talk)
21:14, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's not abundantly clear from
WP:FPL, but Scotland these days has four divisions (top tier of 12, then three tiers of 10), whereas in the 1960s / early 70s, there was only two divisions (top tier of 18, second tier of 19/20). There is generally only around 20 full time clubs, at most. Full time teams in the Second Division then would have been very rare, most would attract only a few hundred spectators.
Jellyman (
talk)
22:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- I would say Hamilton Academical is a fairly well established team. Playing 94 games for them in the Scottish Second Tier looks like a WP:NFOOTY pass to me. Lets see what other editors think. AlessandroTiandelli333 ( talk) 23:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's not abundantly clear from
WP:FPL, but Scotland these days has four divisions (top tier of 12, then three tiers of 10), whereas in the 1960s / early 70s, there was only two divisions (top tier of 18, second tier of 19/20). There is generally only around 20 full time clubs, at most. Full time teams in the Second Division then would have been very rare, most would attract only a few hundred spectators.
Jellyman (
talk)
22:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 09:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - I agree with @ Jellyman: that WP:FPL needs updating (and that is a discussion to be had at WT:FPL) because my understanding is that the Scottish 2nd tier only became considered fully pro when the Scottish Premier League was founded in 1998? As such, this player fails NFOOTBALL - and also, importantly, GNG. Giant Snowman 09:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:NFOOTY as far as I can see. Also there are literally hundreds of articles like this and many of them far less notable then this one. REDMAN 2019 ( talk) 11:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 18:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 18:41, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep lots of late 1960s Scottish media coverage - which should be no surprise with 10-years of second-tier Scottish football. While not everyone who ever walked on the pitch in the second tier might have been notable, a decade of play, and hundreds of matches, is going to get media coverage. I'd assume this is the same Enoch Gilchrist that played for Hamilton Croatia from about 1971 to at least 1973 - but I can't prove it. Nfitz ( talk) 22:41, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not really moved closer to consensus
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fenix down ( talk) 07:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
Relisting comment: Not really moved closer to consensus
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