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The result was delete. I have a soft spot for these old towns in Arizona which are like the ones my grandparents lived in in the early 20th century. But I am even more impressed at the lengths editors here go to to determine whether or not these one sentence articles represent towns that have any notability. Kudos to you all for doing your due diligence for Enid, Arizona! The consensus here is to Delete this article. Liz Read! Talk! 02:52, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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Searching is beyond hopeless, but the maps and aerials show yet another isolated rail point, so most likely not a notable settlement. Mangoe ( talk) 03:11, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete WP:GEOLAND fail. Bruxton ( talk) 04:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I agree delete as there seems to be no such place, much less notability. It is weird that the USGS list it as a populated place [1] KeepItGoingForward ( talk) 08:57, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. Shellwood ( talk) 12:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Weak Keep. This book says that a cinema theatre closed in Enid, Arizona in 1931. That confirms existence, but that's all I've got. The article coords / GNIS entry are probably referring to an old rail stop, so quite likely not very close to the actual location of any settlement that is/was here. Spinning Spark 21:28, 20 December 2022 (UTC)DeleteWeak keep per Spinning Spark I don't think Google Maps knows where it is. It's going to a location with a few buildings that look like ranches, a skydiving club, and a Muslim cemetery, but it may just be choosing a random location in Arizona. It refuses to give me driving directions to go there, is why I think this. There's a secondary highway right there and I should be able to drive there if I wanted to. Assuming this location is correct, regardless of zoom levqel, I am not seeing any label or post office, gas station or railway...nothing at all that looks like a town. Similar results on web and Google Books search. Nada. At most a very remote and isolated desert ranch community, assuming the map Google is showing me is on some level correct. Elinruby ( talk) 07:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- On second thought I tried again starting from the coordinates in the infobox and they do go to the location discussed above. Street View shows an old wood house that may be vacant, a couple of single-wide trailers, ditto. A car is parked by one of the buildings across the highway. Best guess based on knowledge of Arizona, although not this bit exactly: probably once was something there, but now... There are some roofs just over the horizon, and the structure with the car looks like a business. It's a pretty lonely place, definitely not notable or even likely to be noticed driving through.
Elinruby (
talk)
08:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Once notable always notable. Even if it no longer exists, that in itself does not call for deletion. I've changed to weak keep. The Publix cinemas were known for being plush and ornate. Even though the one in Enid failed (noted in the source I linked), an upmarket cinema would never have been built in the first place if there was nothing of significance there at all.
Spinning
Spark
10:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, I will buy that, although I am somewhat incredulous based on the Street View. When I say business, I mean maybe a tractor repair shop or some other light industry. I really don't see anything that looks like the sort of downtown that might house a theatre. But. Your rationale is a secondary source and mine is OR, and I have no inherent objection to the idea that there was a town here. Elinruby ( talk) 04:19, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Once notable always notable. Even if it no longer exists, that in itself does not call for deletion. I've changed to weak keep. The Publix cinemas were known for being plush and ornate. Even though the one in Enid failed (noted in the source I linked), an upmarket cinema would never have been built in the first place if there was nothing of significance there at all.
Spinning
Spark
10:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't believe the book. If this place was big enough to have a movie theater that was written about, there would be more that that reference. The line in the book is "Notices appeared about the sale of theatres in minor centres like Enid, Arizona and Chicksaw, Oklahoma". I think that was a typo and was referring to
Enid, Oklahoma which had a population of over 25,000 in 1930 (the time frame of the book reference) that would have supported a movie theater. The most substantial mention I can find is
AFL-CIO. Railway Employes' Dept. Convention Proceedings which talks about an 1961 rail accident there. There is no evidence there was a community there.
MB
05:32, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- That seems to be quite likely right so I have struck my keep vote. This book not only confirms that Publix owned two theatres in Enid, Oklahoma, but the town was their headquarters. Spinning Spark 18:43, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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The result was delete. I have a soft spot for these old towns in Arizona which are like the ones my grandparents lived in in the early 20th century. But I am even more impressed at the lengths editors here go to to determine whether or not these one sentence articles represent towns that have any notability. Kudos to you all for doing your due diligence for Enid, Arizona! The consensus here is to Delete this article. Liz Read! Talk! 02:52, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
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Searching is beyond hopeless, but the maps and aerials show yet another isolated rail point, so most likely not a notable settlement. Mangoe ( talk) 03:11, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete WP:GEOLAND fail. Bruxton ( talk) 04:18, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I agree delete as there seems to be no such place, much less notability. It is weird that the USGS list it as a populated place [1] KeepItGoingForward ( talk) 08:57, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Arizona. Shellwood ( talk) 12:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Weak Keep. This book says that a cinema theatre closed in Enid, Arizona in 1931. That confirms existence, but that's all I've got. The article coords / GNIS entry are probably referring to an old rail stop, so quite likely not very close to the actual location of any settlement that is/was here. Spinning Spark 21:28, 20 December 2022 (UTC)DeleteWeak keep per Spinning Spark I don't think Google Maps knows where it is. It's going to a location with a few buildings that look like ranches, a skydiving club, and a Muslim cemetery, but it may just be choosing a random location in Arizona. It refuses to give me driving directions to go there, is why I think this. There's a secondary highway right there and I should be able to drive there if I wanted to. Assuming this location is correct, regardless of zoom levqel, I am not seeing any label or post office, gas station or railway...nothing at all that looks like a town. Similar results on web and Google Books search. Nada. At most a very remote and isolated desert ranch community, assuming the map Google is showing me is on some level correct. Elinruby ( talk) 07:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- On second thought I tried again starting from the coordinates in the infobox and they do go to the location discussed above. Street View shows an old wood house that may be vacant, a couple of single-wide trailers, ditto. A car is parked by one of the buildings across the highway. Best guess based on knowledge of Arizona, although not this bit exactly: probably once was something there, but now... There are some roofs just over the horizon, and the structure with the car looks like a business. It's a pretty lonely place, definitely not notable or even likely to be noticed driving through.
Elinruby (
talk)
08:10, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Once notable always notable. Even if it no longer exists, that in itself does not call for deletion. I've changed to weak keep. The Publix cinemas were known for being plush and ornate. Even though the one in Enid failed (noted in the source I linked), an upmarket cinema would never have been built in the first place if there was nothing of significance there at all.
Spinning
Spark
10:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Alright, I will buy that, although I am somewhat incredulous based on the Street View. When I say business, I mean maybe a tractor repair shop or some other light industry. I really don't see anything that looks like the sort of downtown that might house a theatre. But. Your rationale is a secondary source and mine is OR, and I have no inherent objection to the idea that there was a town here. Elinruby ( talk) 04:19, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Once notable always notable. Even if it no longer exists, that in itself does not call for deletion. I've changed to weak keep. The Publix cinemas were known for being plush and ornate. Even though the one in Enid failed (noted in the source I linked), an upmarket cinema would never have been built in the first place if there was nothing of significance there at all.
Spinning
Spark
10:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't believe the book. If this place was big enough to have a movie theater that was written about, there would be more that that reference. The line in the book is "Notices appeared about the sale of theatres in minor centres like Enid, Arizona and Chicksaw, Oklahoma". I think that was a typo and was referring to
Enid, Oklahoma which had a population of over 25,000 in 1930 (the time frame of the book reference) that would have supported a movie theater. The most substantial mention I can find is
AFL-CIO. Railway Employes' Dept. Convention Proceedings which talks about an 1961 rail accident there. There is no evidence there was a community there.
MB
05:32, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- That seems to be quite likely right so I have struck my keep vote. This book not only confirms that Publix owned two theatres in Enid, Oklahoma, but the town was their headquarters. Spinning Spark 18:43, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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