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The result was merge to Enemy of the people. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Enemy of the people (Albania)
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The term "Enemy of the People" has been used widely throughout history the world over. There is no reason why the phrase's use in Albania (basically the content of this entire article) can't be added to the article Enemy of the People. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 19:18, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 19:18, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 19:18, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The subject is one of the most notable (and unhappy) aspects of Albania's history. There are lots of reliable sources that can be used to expand this article and turn it into a very long one. RS discuss how the term became an important concept in the country, how it evolved, how it changed in line with the party's domestic and international policies, the most notable figures that were described as so etc. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 11:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- You haven't provided a single argument why Albania's "Enemy of the People" designation merits its own article, when every other country's "Enemy of the People" is and/or can be listed in the article Enemy of the People, which already exists. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 15:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Enemy of the people. Accesscrawl ( talk) 12:54, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
- Merge as a new section in Enemy of the people#Marxist–Leninist states. However in investigating this (looking for a target) I found that WP's articles on Albania, such as People's Socialist Republic of Albania, and Enver Hoxha have a severe lacuna. They deal at great length with foreign relations and say nothing about the internal affairs or economy of Communist Albania (a redirect). I wondered about Forced labour camps in Communist Albania as a merge target. Category:People's Socialist Republic of Albania has articles on specific topics, including the Party, but nothing general. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Merge as per @Peterkingiron and have Enemy of the people (Albania) as a redirect. Also if we do merge, there are 3 WP:PRIMARY sources like the CIA document, Hoxha's statement to Truman, Ambassador Bernd Borchard's statement at a OSCE conference that should not be included. Additionally the source from an old newspaper called Bolshevik should be excluded as well, due to RS reasons (its reads like a propaganda piece). Others sources are fine, especially Shannon Woodcock, my old university lecturer on Genocide and Eastern European studies. :) She has done extensive research of communist Albania so more could be used to expand content. Separate to that Peterkingiron, reasons for those gaps are many of the political old guard from the communist era are in power, or their children and grandchildren these days and hence Albanian historiography is polticised, see Brisku, p.17. [1]. Apart from Woodcock, there have been a few good studies published like Tadeusz Czekalski's The shining beacon of socialism in Europe: The Albanian state and society in the period of communist dictatorship 1944–1992 (2013) - in case anyone was wondering the shining beacon part of the title is meant to be sarcastic. But attention to this topic is sparse by non-Albanian scholarship. I wrote this wiki article Islam in Albania (1945–1991) and it was a difficult undertaking, due to difficulties in finding good sources. Resnjari ( talk) 05:53, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment The article was created on November 10. If other editors are interested in expanding it, why don't we give them a chance to work on it before deletion? Is the sourcing insufficient for WP:GNG? I don't see any policy based argument about notability and not having time to do in-depth research myself, I am unsure which way to vote. Dartslilly ( talk) 01:31, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Enemy of the people. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 09:14, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
Enemy of the people (Albania)
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The term "Enemy of the People" has been used widely throughout history the world over. There is no reason why the phrase's use in Albania (basically the content of this entire article) can't be added to the article Enemy of the People. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 19:18, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 19:18, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 19:18, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose The subject is one of the most notable (and unhappy) aspects of Albania's history. There are lots of reliable sources that can be used to expand this article and turn it into a very long one. RS discuss how the term became an important concept in the country, how it evolved, how it changed in line with the party's domestic and international policies, the most notable figures that were described as so etc. Ktrimi991 ( talk) 11:02, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
- You haven't provided a single argument why Albania's "Enemy of the People" designation merits its own article, when every other country's "Enemy of the People" is and/or can be listed in the article Enemy of the People, which already exists. Amanuensis Balkanicus ( talk) 15:54, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Enemy of the people. Accesscrawl ( talk) 12:54, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
- Merge as a new section in Enemy of the people#Marxist–Leninist states. However in investigating this (looking for a target) I found that WP's articles on Albania, such as People's Socialist Republic of Albania, and Enver Hoxha have a severe lacuna. They deal at great length with foreign relations and say nothing about the internal affairs or economy of Communist Albania (a redirect). I wondered about Forced labour camps in Communist Albania as a merge target. Category:People's Socialist Republic of Albania has articles on specific topics, including the Party, but nothing general. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:06, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Merge as per @Peterkingiron and have Enemy of the people (Albania) as a redirect. Also if we do merge, there are 3 WP:PRIMARY sources like the CIA document, Hoxha's statement to Truman, Ambassador Bernd Borchard's statement at a OSCE conference that should not be included. Additionally the source from an old newspaper called Bolshevik should be excluded as well, due to RS reasons (its reads like a propaganda piece). Others sources are fine, especially Shannon Woodcock, my old university lecturer on Genocide and Eastern European studies. :) She has done extensive research of communist Albania so more could be used to expand content. Separate to that Peterkingiron, reasons for those gaps are many of the political old guard from the communist era are in power, or their children and grandchildren these days and hence Albanian historiography is polticised, see Brisku, p.17. [1]. Apart from Woodcock, there have been a few good studies published like Tadeusz Czekalski's The shining beacon of socialism in Europe: The Albanian state and society in the period of communist dictatorship 1944–1992 (2013) - in case anyone was wondering the shining beacon part of the title is meant to be sarcastic. But attention to this topic is sparse by non-Albanian scholarship. I wrote this wiki article Islam in Albania (1945–1991) and it was a difficult undertaking, due to difficulties in finding good sources. Resnjari ( talk) 05:53, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment The article was created on November 10. If other editors are interested in expanding it, why don't we give them a chance to work on it before deletion? Is the sourcing insufficient for WP:GNG? I don't see any policy based argument about notability and not having time to do in-depth research myself, I am unsure which way to vote. Dartslilly ( talk) 01:31, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.