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The result was keep. Notability established. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:08, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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Oddly declined A7. The subject fails WP:MUSICBIO and lacks any significant coverage in reliable sources to indicate having any notability. STATic message me! 16:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:GNG. Koala15 ( talk) 00:34, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Comment, for those who speak Icelandic, http://www.dv.is/lifsstill/2013/7/29/emmsje-gauti-og-david-fara-yfir-strikid/ might be worth checking out. Someone who is familiar with navigating the Icelandic charts might also want to check whether or not the artist charted; I have no idea what http://www.tonlist.is/Music/Artist/463684/emmsje_gauti/ is trying to tell me for example (or if this is even a chart site). Martijn Hoekstra ( talk) 10:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - seems to be mostly an issue about finding third party sources, he has an article on Icelandic wikipedia which tells me this is not just a fan page or similar.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 12:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- How is him having an article on his home language's encyclopedia (which has a very less strict notability requirements), any rationale for keeping the article? Or better yet any reasoning for him passing WP:MUSICBIO? STATic message me! 16:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Keep: I created the article basically after seeing one of his hits charting in one of the local charts (not official mind you, but an indication of notability. Incidentally Iceland does not have an official chart to depend upon like Finland's
Suomen virallinen lista, so it's more difficult to prove charting history)... Applying international criterion for notability for local artists would not be fair. In any case, a page in local language Wikipedia, in this case, Icelandic, is an indication of fair notability. There are quite a few Icelandic references. In a small search, I found out for example:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5]. The problem with local artists is lack of English language sites.An English language local site though has very interesting report:
Icelandic Airwaves says: Emmsjé "Gauti is one of the major league hip hop artists of Iceland... He’s released two albums with his previous bands, Skábræður and 32c, but in 2010 he went solo and that’s when the ball really started rolling... If you’re in to hip hop or booty-shaking music in general, Emmsjé Gauti is an artist you can’t afford to miss!". He is famous enough to be included in a 2014 film Land Ho! as per
IMDb. Clearly there are many references indicating some notability. I will try to get translations of Icelandic sites and incorporate them in the article.
werldwayd (
talk)
17:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these! Could you shed some light on some of the sources? Are they independent and do they have editorial control, or is this a likely press release?
Martijn Hoekstra (
talk)
21:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- I used a translation machine and made additional checkings. Clearly these sources are not what you call majour media. But they are independently written pieces and not some press release. The first article is an interview with the rapper but more like reporting rather than straight question and answer. Most others are on occasions of a forthcoming single like "Kinky" or a forthcoming concert with other bands, or appearance in a reality television context etc. Foreign acts are very hard to cover, that's why we see most try to created US or British or big country artists (France, Germany etc). Rarely do you find editors spending time on these artists that may be majour in their countries but that they have at best sketchy media coverage in English. Rappers like Emmsjé Gauti, are more like in a cult genre that will interest even a smaller population in already a small market... For example I had to create category for Icelandic rappers, none was connected, but even with my first attempt, hurdles appear to delete this "first-ever rapper article" in English Wikipedia. In any case, I will incorporate those references that I have mentioned in hope of salvaging this article. I will carefully browse the translations at times so inaccurate and gibberish that one has to guess some sentences. I have also watched many of the music videos of this artist as he seems to be very active in coollaborations with others and does spend time and effort on professional music videos for his releases.
werldwayd (
talk)
22:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Although Tonlist is not an official national chart for Iceland, it is an indication of notable sales in the country. This week's Tonlist chart has Emmsjé Gauti at number 19 of the albums chart with album Þeyr. Please see
http://www.tonlist.is/Music/Chartlist/271
werldwayd (
talk)
21:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- That seems enough for me to call it a keep. Martijn Hoekstra ( talk) 21:48, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Although Tonlist is not an official national chart for Iceland, it is an indication of notable sales in the country. This week's Tonlist chart has Emmsjé Gauti at number 19 of the albums chart with album Þeyr. Please see
http://www.tonlist.is/Music/Chartlist/271
werldwayd (
talk)
21:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- I used a translation machine and made additional checkings. Clearly these sources are not what you call majour media. But they are independently written pieces and not some press release. The first article is an interview with the rapper but more like reporting rather than straight question and answer. Most others are on occasions of a forthcoming single like "Kinky" or a forthcoming concert with other bands, or appearance in a reality television context etc. Foreign acts are very hard to cover, that's why we see most try to created US or British or big country artists (France, Germany etc). Rarely do you find editors spending time on these artists that may be majour in their countries but that they have at best sketchy media coverage in English. Rappers like Emmsjé Gauti, are more like in a cult genre that will interest even a smaller population in already a small market... For example I had to create category for Icelandic rappers, none was connected, but even with my first attempt, hurdles appear to delete this "first-ever rapper article" in English Wikipedia. In any case, I will incorporate those references that I have mentioned in hope of salvaging this article. I will carefully browse the translations at times so inaccurate and gibberish that one has to guess some sentences. I have also watched many of the music videos of this artist as he seems to be very active in coollaborations with others and does spend time and effort on professional music videos for his releases.
werldwayd (
talk)
22:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these! Could you shed some light on some of the sources? Are they independent and do they have editorial control, or is this a likely press release?
Martijn Hoekstra (
talk)
21:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - meets WP:GNG per sources from werldwayd and WP:NONENG. Clavdia chauchat ( talk) 00:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Notability established. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:08, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
- Emmsjé Gauti ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Oddly declined A7. The subject fails WP:MUSICBIO and lacks any significant coverage in reliable sources to indicate having any notability. STATic message me! 16:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iceland-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:16, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG. Koala15 ( talk) 00:34, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Comment, for those who speak Icelandic, http://www.dv.is/lifsstill/2013/7/29/emmsje-gauti-og-david-fara-yfir-strikid/ might be worth checking out. Someone who is familiar with navigating the Icelandic charts might also want to check whether or not the artist charted; I have no idea what http://www.tonlist.is/Music/Artist/463684/emmsje_gauti/ is trying to tell me for example (or if this is even a chart site). Martijn Hoekstra ( talk) 10:35, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - seems to be mostly an issue about finding third party sources, he has an article on Icelandic wikipedia which tells me this is not just a fan page or similar.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 12:44, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- How is him having an article on his home language's encyclopedia (which has a very less strict notability requirements), any rationale for keeping the article? Or better yet any reasoning for him passing WP:MUSICBIO? STATic message me! 16:18, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Keep: I created the article basically after seeing one of his hits charting in one of the local charts (not official mind you, but an indication of notability. Incidentally Iceland does not have an official chart to depend upon like Finland's
Suomen virallinen lista, so it's more difficult to prove charting history)... Applying international criterion for notability for local artists would not be fair. In any case, a page in local language Wikipedia, in this case, Icelandic, is an indication of fair notability. There are quite a few Icelandic references. In a small search, I found out for example:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5]. The problem with local artists is lack of English language sites.An English language local site though has very interesting report:
Icelandic Airwaves says: Emmsjé "Gauti is one of the major league hip hop artists of Iceland... He’s released two albums with his previous bands, Skábræður and 32c, but in 2010 he went solo and that’s when the ball really started rolling... If you’re in to hip hop or booty-shaking music in general, Emmsjé Gauti is an artist you can’t afford to miss!". He is famous enough to be included in a 2014 film Land Ho! as per
IMDb. Clearly there are many references indicating some notability. I will try to get translations of Icelandic sites and incorporate them in the article.
werldwayd (
talk)
17:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these! Could you shed some light on some of the sources? Are they independent and do they have editorial control, or is this a likely press release?
Martijn Hoekstra (
talk)
21:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- I used a translation machine and made additional checkings. Clearly these sources are not what you call majour media. But they are independently written pieces and not some press release. The first article is an interview with the rapper but more like reporting rather than straight question and answer. Most others are on occasions of a forthcoming single like "Kinky" or a forthcoming concert with other bands, or appearance in a reality television context etc. Foreign acts are very hard to cover, that's why we see most try to created US or British or big country artists (France, Germany etc). Rarely do you find editors spending time on these artists that may be majour in their countries but that they have at best sketchy media coverage in English. Rappers like Emmsjé Gauti, are more like in a cult genre that will interest even a smaller population in already a small market... For example I had to create category for Icelandic rappers, none was connected, but even with my first attempt, hurdles appear to delete this "first-ever rapper article" in English Wikipedia. In any case, I will incorporate those references that I have mentioned in hope of salvaging this article. I will carefully browse the translations at times so inaccurate and gibberish that one has to guess some sentences. I have also watched many of the music videos of this artist as he seems to be very active in coollaborations with others and does spend time and effort on professional music videos for his releases.
werldwayd (
talk)
22:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Although Tonlist is not an official national chart for Iceland, it is an indication of notable sales in the country. This week's Tonlist chart has Emmsjé Gauti at number 19 of the albums chart with album Þeyr. Please see
http://www.tonlist.is/Music/Chartlist/271
werldwayd (
talk)
21:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- That seems enough for me to call it a keep. Martijn Hoekstra ( talk) 21:48, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- Although Tonlist is not an official national chart for Iceland, it is an indication of notable sales in the country. This week's Tonlist chart has Emmsjé Gauti at number 19 of the albums chart with album Þeyr. Please see
http://www.tonlist.is/Music/Chartlist/271
werldwayd (
talk)
21:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
- I used a translation machine and made additional checkings. Clearly these sources are not what you call majour media. But they are independently written pieces and not some press release. The first article is an interview with the rapper but more like reporting rather than straight question and answer. Most others are on occasions of a forthcoming single like "Kinky" or a forthcoming concert with other bands, or appearance in a reality television context etc. Foreign acts are very hard to cover, that's why we see most try to created US or British or big country artists (France, Germany etc). Rarely do you find editors spending time on these artists that may be majour in their countries but that they have at best sketchy media coverage in English. Rappers like Emmsjé Gauti, are more like in a cult genre that will interest even a smaller population in already a small market... For example I had to create category for Icelandic rappers, none was connected, but even with my first attempt, hurdles appear to delete this "first-ever rapper article" in English Wikipedia. In any case, I will incorporate those references that I have mentioned in hope of salvaging this article. I will carefully browse the translations at times so inaccurate and gibberish that one has to guess some sentences. I have also watched many of the music videos of this artist as he seems to be very active in coollaborations with others and does spend time and effort on professional music videos for his releases.
werldwayd (
talk)
22:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding these! Could you shed some light on some of the sources? Are they independent and do they have editorial control, or is this a likely press release?
Martijn Hoekstra (
talk)
21:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
- Keep - meets WP:GNG per sources from werldwayd and WP:NONENG. Clavdia chauchat ( talk) 00:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.