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The result was keep Michig ( talk) 07:19, 10 December 2018 (UTC) reply

Elza Brandeisz

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I'd love to be proven wrong on this one, but I'm really not seeing a full article here. That she had some significant interaction with some notable people is WP:NOTINHERITED, and the rest of the article is a bunch of nondescript details. There's WP:NOPAGE here. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 02:50, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. CThomas³ ( talk) 05:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply

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• Comment Does being a Righteous Among the Nations count as "well-known and significant award or honor" for WP:ANYBIO? I'm leaning towards yes, but would be interested to hear more opinions about it. Atchom ( talk) 05:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply

• Delete I looked into the Righteous Among the Nations]] situation. The hand out that award to anyone that can prove they belped safe Jews from the Holocast. There have been a lot of awards and getting one does not seem to ensure notability by our standards. Not like say a Nobel where all recipients have and get a lot of RS coverage. Legacypac ( talk) 07:10, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply

• Merge I think it's possible to merge at least some of this information in with pages like George Soros, Rescuers of Jews during the Holocaust, and/or List of Righteous Among the Nations by country. Obviously, you couldn't put the whole biography on these pages, but some of the information might be transferable. I also don't think being a member of the Righteous Among the Nations confers Wikipedia notability (according to the Wikipedia page, nearly 27,000 have received the distinction). I do think some of the information, particularly the fact that she sheltered George Soros, is worth saving on the encyclopedia, though. Gargleafg ( talk) 07:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Merge per Gargleafg. I agree that the award Righteous Among the Nations does not confer notability on Wikipedia and this article fails WP:NOPAGE, but some information from this page does seem worth adding to at least the George Soros article and maybe others. Newshunter12 ( talk) 09:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep I believe that she does meet WP:GNG, with the sources already in the article, the sources in German and Polish on those Wikipedia pages (and another in German on the French Wikipedia page), plus Tivadar Soros' book Masquerade: Dancing Around Death in Nazi-occupied Hungary and her entry in The Encyclopedia of the Righteous Among the Nations. ("They" do not "hand out that award to anyone that can prove they helped save Jews" - people have to be nominated by a Jewish party, and the help had to be repeated or substantial. The Nobel prize is a ridiculous standard to compare it to. As for how many have received it - how many state or federal politicians are in Wikipedia? how many sportspeople who have played at levels Wikipedia considers "notable"? etc etc) RebeccaGreen ( talk) 10:35, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep: German newspaper calls her "One of the pioneers of expressive dance in Hungary", and carries her obituary. Added to the rest, I think we have WP:GNG. Not just a run-of-the-mill supercentenarian. Pam D 14:21, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep per RebeccaGreen and PamD. XOR'easter ( talk) 16:41, 3 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Merge a couple lines into the biography of George Soros. There are too many righteous among the nations for this award to confer notability by itself. At first, it sounds more logical to include her into the Rescuers of Jews during the Holocaust, but most people listed there are documented for having saved thousands of people. Ms. Brandeisz saved a few people, an admirable gesture, but not especially notable. She received most of her media coverage due to the coincidence that she rescued a young Soros, hence that is the best merge target. There is otherwise WP:NOPAGE. — JFG ^talk 10:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep She seems notable if you ask me ThatBaileyLad ( talk) 13:17, 5 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep Seems to be covered in multiple notable sources as the main subject, per RebeccaGreen. Anything else is applying a higher standard than our actual notability policy. Adam Cuerden ^{( talk)}_{Has about 8.8% of all FPs} 20:15, 7 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep - if this lady were not a supercentenarian, there would be no doubts about this page. It is unreasonable to demand higher standards of supercentenarians (who are far from 'run-of-the-mill). Oculi ( talk) 11:17, 9 December 2018 (UTC) reply
• Keep per WP:BIO. I have added more refs and corrected information in the article. Yoninah ( talk) 21:06, 9 December 2018 (UTC) reply

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