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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 00:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Elahi Ardabili
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My searches simply found nothing obvious so I'm not entirely sure if he actually existed and the only imaginable would likely be archived and not easily accessible (given this subject's alleged age). Pinging tagger Bender235 and Calamondin12. SwisterTwister talk 06:53, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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Delete. Uninformed editing has badly distorted this article since its initial creation — what were clearly marked as Islamic Calendar dates have been relabeled as CE and the date annotation "Hegira" has been reinterpreted as a place name. I think I've fixed the worst of it but I still can't figure out who the subject is; the name is too generic and the variations in transliterating names too great. So we have no sources and (unless someone who actually knows this subject comes along to help, as has not happened in the 7 years this article has existed) little hope of finding any. As such, it fails WP:V, despite describing accomplishments which should be notable if only we could source them. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)- Keep per WP:HEY now that the subject has been properly identified and sourced. — David Eppstein ( talk) 03:34, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment, since I was pinged. The article doesn't meet our quality standards, but I'm not enough of an expert in the field to know whether the subject merits an article at all. -- bender235 ( talk) 18:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: The question is not the quality of the article but the notability of the subject. Philosophy in early Safavid Iran by Reza Pourjavady describes Kamal al-din al-Ilahi al-Ardabili as educated in Ardabil under Ali al-Amuli, then under the Safavid Sultan Haydar, then in Shiraz under Jalal al-Din al-Dawani. It can be seen that this exactly matches what is stated in the article, albeit with very different transliterations of the names. I do not doubt, therefore, that the article describes this scholar from Iran. The next step should be to ask a Farsi speaker to locate some more sources. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 17:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep, following Chiswick Chap's identification of a fairly obviously reliable source and its addition to the article. Other reliable sources are almost certain to exist, though they may well not be in English. PWilkinson ( talk) 01:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis ( talk) 00:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Elahi Ardabili
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My searches simply found nothing obvious so I'm not entirely sure if he actually existed and the only imaginable would likely be archived and not easily accessible (given this subject's alleged age). Pinging tagger Bender235 and Calamondin12. SwisterTwister talk 06:53, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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Delete. Uninformed editing has badly distorted this article since its initial creation — what were clearly marked as Islamic Calendar dates have been relabeled as CE and the date annotation "Hegira" has been reinterpreted as a place name. I think I've fixed the worst of it but I still can't figure out who the subject is; the name is too generic and the variations in transliterating names too great. So we have no sources and (unless someone who actually knows this subject comes along to help, as has not happened in the 7 years this article has existed) little hope of finding any. As such, it fails WP:V, despite describing accomplishments which should be notable if only we could source them. — David Eppstein ( talk) 07:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)- Keep per WP:HEY now that the subject has been properly identified and sourced. — David Eppstein ( talk) 03:34, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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- Comment, since I was pinged. The article doesn't meet our quality standards, but I'm not enough of an expert in the field to know whether the subject merits an article at all. -- bender235 ( talk) 18:22, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: The question is not the quality of the article but the notability of the subject. Philosophy in early Safavid Iran by Reza Pourjavady describes Kamal al-din al-Ilahi al-Ardabili as educated in Ardabil under Ali al-Amuli, then under the Safavid Sultan Haydar, then in Shiraz under Jalal al-Din al-Dawani. It can be seen that this exactly matches what is stated in the article, albeit with very different transliterations of the names. I do not doubt, therefore, that the article describes this scholar from Iran. The next step should be to ask a Farsi speaker to locate some more sources. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 17:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep, following Chiswick Chap's identification of a fairly obviously reliable source and its addition to the article. Other reliable sources are almost certain to exist, though they may well not be in English. PWilkinson ( talk) 01:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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