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The result was keep. What this article needs is an editor fluent in both Russian and English to improve and expand the enwiki article with the plentiful Russian-language reliable sources. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 14:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
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WP:NOTPROMO. NN YouTuber. MSJapan ( talk) 09:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable video blogger. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:51, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. czar 23:24, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. This page wasn't synched with the existing Wikidata entry. His Russian Wikipedia article is GA-rated. Plenty of reliable sources there and in the other language articles. In our era, it's still difficult to access and easy to miss non-English sites, though our inability to find them is likely proportional to our ability to actually use them in articles. In any event, remember that time we almost deleted the article on the PewDiePie of Ukraine/Russia? czar 23:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- We probably should have deleted the PDP article too, but that's definitely an
WP:IDONTLIKEIT rationale. :) That being said, I don't believe we have a policy that states that if someone is notable per another WP, that we need to definitely keep the article here. My nom argument still holds; I'm not sure how keeping an article on a celebrity who has no coverage in that language's market isn't promotional. Moreover,
WP:AUD, part of
WP:ORG, says that we need to consider the audience when considering the notability of a company, and as far as I can see, there's no reason not to say the same about media personalities. No one in the English-language market knows who he is, unlike PDP and others, because he hasn't got coverage in the language.
MSJapan (
talk) 00:14, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think WP:AUD applies here since that is a warning against using local media and suggests that the coverage needs to be al least regional. It has nothing to do with foreign language sources.-- 76.69.213.174 ( talk) 22:26, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- We probably should have deleted the PDP article too, but that's definitely an
WP:IDONTLIKEIT rationale. :) That being said, I don't believe we have a policy that states that if someone is notable per another WP, that we need to definitely keep the article here. My nom argument still holds; I'm not sure how keeping an article on a celebrity who has no coverage in that language's market isn't promotional. Moreover,
WP:AUD, part of
WP:ORG, says that we need to consider the audience when considering the notability of a company, and as far as I can see, there's no reason not to say the same about media personalities. No one in the English-language market knows who he is, unlike PDP and others, because he hasn't got coverage in the language.
MSJapan (
talk) 00:14, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Notability established by sources in the Russian version of the article. These seem to be particularly strong examples: [1], [2], [3]. Foreign language sources are valid for establishing notability (and all other purposes). ~ Kvng ( talk) 21:51, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment On the one hand, we certainly have no requirement for English language sources; on the other, there is certainly no presumption here that a Russian subject with a ruWP article is notable by our standards. DGG ( talk ) 15:04, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 02:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. What this article needs is an editor fluent in both Russian and English to improve and expand the enwiki article with the plentiful Russian-language reliable sources. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 14:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
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WP:NOTPROMO. NN YouTuber. MSJapan ( talk) 09:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable video blogger. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:51, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. czar 23:24, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- Speedy keep. This page wasn't synched with the existing Wikidata entry. His Russian Wikipedia article is GA-rated. Plenty of reliable sources there and in the other language articles. In our era, it's still difficult to access and easy to miss non-English sites, though our inability to find them is likely proportional to our ability to actually use them in articles. In any event, remember that time we almost deleted the article on the PewDiePie of Ukraine/Russia? czar 23:42, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
- We probably should have deleted the PDP article too, but that's definitely an
WP:IDONTLIKEIT rationale. :) That being said, I don't believe we have a policy that states that if someone is notable per another WP, that we need to definitely keep the article here. My nom argument still holds; I'm not sure how keeping an article on a celebrity who has no coverage in that language's market isn't promotional. Moreover,
WP:AUD, part of
WP:ORG, says that we need to consider the audience when considering the notability of a company, and as far as I can see, there's no reason not to say the same about media personalities. No one in the English-language market knows who he is, unlike PDP and others, because he hasn't got coverage in the language.
MSJapan (
talk) 00:14, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think WP:AUD applies here since that is a warning against using local media and suggests that the coverage needs to be al least regional. It has nothing to do with foreign language sources.-- 76.69.213.174 ( talk) 22:26, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
- We probably should have deleted the PDP article too, but that's definitely an
WP:IDONTLIKEIT rationale. :) That being said, I don't believe we have a policy that states that if someone is notable per another WP, that we need to definitely keep the article here. My nom argument still holds; I'm not sure how keeping an article on a celebrity who has no coverage in that language's market isn't promotional. Moreover,
WP:AUD, part of
WP:ORG, says that we need to consider the audience when considering the notability of a company, and as far as I can see, there's no reason not to say the same about media personalities. No one in the English-language market knows who he is, unlike PDP and others, because he hasn't got coverage in the language.
MSJapan (
talk) 00:14, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Notability established by sources in the Russian version of the article. These seem to be particularly strong examples: [1], [2], [3]. Foreign language sources are valid for establishing notability (and all other purposes). ~ Kvng ( talk) 21:51, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment On the one hand, we certainly have no requirement for English language sources; on the other, there is certainly no presumption here that a Russian subject with a ruWP article is notable by our standards. DGG ( talk ) 15:04, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 02:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ansh 666 02:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:17, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:17, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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