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EaglesāVikings Rivalry
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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NRIVALRY. No rivalry exists between these two teams. This is evidenced by a very few reliable sources. A Google search of Eagles Vikings rivalry shows very few relevant hits. The article clings to a single ESPN blog that makes little connection to the teams as ārivalsā outside of its title and instead talks about how Eagles fans are rude and disrespectful to Vikings players and fans (though this can be said about Eagles fans vs. any other fan base as Philadelphia has been notorious for bad fan behavior [1] [2]). The remaining hits on the Google search are a few local blogs from both regions that artificially use the term ārivalryā to manufacture hype. Frank Anchor Talk 14:43, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, here's what my search found: this from Section215.com (looks like a blog); this from The Daily Sentinel (via Newspapers.com); and this from ESPN. Doesn't look like enough to meet GNG IMO. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 17:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC) (slightly modified comment at 18:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC))
- Comment, here's what my search found: [3]. [4]/ [5] [6]. The links represent both additional news websites and team websites from both teams acknowledging a rivalry. They have played 3 times in the playoffs in the last 15 years which makes it one of the most played playoff series in the 2000's. I will say one more thing because I am the creator of these new vikings rivalry pages. I really tried to only add pages that have value and staying power to the Wikipedia platform. It would be tempting to add the 49ers (6 playoff games), Rams (7 playoff games), and Seahawks as historical Vikings rivalry pages given many important playoff games too but those wouldn't have the appeal to sustain success (they are all dead). I think the Eagles page has more of a chance to succeed. One other thing: we went through this exercise on Vikings-Saints and here are some interesting stats since the creation of that page (580 views for Saints-Vikings per Wikipedia PageViews; Bears/Packers, Cowboys/Eagles, and Seahawks/49ers have 39/19/3 views respectively in the same time period). I think I have a sense that the Eagles-Vikings page is worth keeping in a way that Rams-Vikings wouldn't work but that the Vikings-Saints page has been very successful so far. This all being said, the current Eagles-Vikings page needs work on sources and content so its a work in progress. Jackmar1 ( talk) 17:59, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Needing work on its sources is one thing, but as User:BeanieFan11 and I have demonstrated, the reliable sources simply arenāt there for this one. Page views donāt establish notability, and even if they did, the topic of this AFD is on the Eagles-Vikings page, so your comments on the Saints-Vikings page are irrelevant. Lastly, while having 3 playoff meetings since 2000 is impressive, it is original research in establishing a rivalry. Frank Anchor Talk 23:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- fair point. I think we wait to get a couple other people to weigh in before we delete it. Jackmar1 ( talk) 24:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yep, thatās the point of the AFD process, to allow several days for users to make arguments for or against deletion. Frank Anchor Talk 01:12, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - There's no more antipathy in this matchup than in any of the others these two teams have, which to me would be a prerequisite of considering this a rivalry. The only game I can even think of between these two teams is the NFC Championship from 2017-18. In general, Vikings fans don't look forward to games against the Eagles, nor do Eagles fans look out for their games against the Vikings. ā Pee Jay 02:30, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Most of the coverage identified here is not of the WP:GNG variety, i.e., it consists of blogs that lack sufficient reliability or it comes from the clubs' own web sites and thus lacks independence. The article cited by BeanieFan from a Colorado newspaper uses the word "rivalry" in its title but the body of the article makes no reference to, let alone discussion of, rivals or rivalry. The one piece of qualifying SIGCOV brought forward is the ESPN piece identified by BeanieFan -- that one suggests there may be a "real" rivalry developing but GNG requires multiple sources. If more sources are found with similar depth from independent and reliable sources, I could be persuaded to change to a 'keep' vote. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:46, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per Frank Anchor's nomination. Also, BeanieFan11 has demonstrated competent searches for sources on other topics, so I defer to their judgement also in this situation, and back it up 100%. Spf121188 ( talk) 15:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- I've provided all I can on this. I provided an ESPN article, links from both teams, zonecoverage.com ( https://zonecoverage.com/2020/minnesota-vikings-news/new-orleans-seattle-and-the-minnesota-vikings-biggest-non-divisional-rivals/) lists the Eagles as a top five Vikings rival. Philadelphia Inquirer describes the rivalry ( https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-vikings-us-bank-stadium-super-bowl-lii-jason-kelce-20191010.html). Clearly although its not at the level of the intense divisional rivalries, there is something here. Ultimately though, if I'm the only person defending keeping it, than it probably doesn't belong on the basis of consensus. Jackmar1 ( talk) 18:46, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, although none are currently in the article now, there are a number of reliable sources at Newspapers.com establishing notability of this topic. I no longer have Newspapers.com access, or I would add a few to the article. Ā«Ā Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:52, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ Gonzo fan2007: Most of the sources found with "Eagles-Vikings rivalry" (or similar) are related to high school and college games. This is the only newspapers.com article I found calling the Philadelphia Eagles and Minnesota Vikings rivals. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 22:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per Gonzo fan2007. There does appear to be a rivalry, as evidenced in several sources, though not as strong as, say, the Eagles-Giants rivalry. I'm going to lean toward keeping this one. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 22:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and BeanieFan. A very small number of sources, fewer of which seem reliable. There needs to be more than a simple record of teams playing each other, but of an ongoing fan culture between the two which is independently reported. I don't bring it up to compare the articles, but compare the nature of the sources in something like Manchester derby, where dedicated coverage is given by sources to discussing the rivalry itself. įµ¹Źį“į“į“Źį“ ź 01:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result was delete. 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 15:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
EaglesāVikings Rivalry
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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NRIVALRY. No rivalry exists between these two teams. This is evidenced by a very few reliable sources. A Google search of Eagles Vikings rivalry shows very few relevant hits. The article clings to a single ESPN blog that makes little connection to the teams as ārivalsā outside of its title and instead talks about how Eagles fans are rude and disrespectful to Vikings players and fans (though this can be said about Eagles fans vs. any other fan base as Philadelphia has been notorious for bad fan behavior [1] [2]). The remaining hits on the Google search are a few local blogs from both regions that artificially use the term ārivalryā to manufacture hype. Frank Anchor Talk 14:43, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Frank Anchor Talk 14:48, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Delete, here's what my search found: this from Section215.com (looks like a blog); this from The Daily Sentinel (via Newspapers.com); and this from ESPN. Doesn't look like enough to meet GNG IMO. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 17:30, 13 November 2021 (UTC) (slightly modified comment at 18:31, 14 November 2021 (UTC))
- Comment, here's what my search found: [3]. [4]/ [5] [6]. The links represent both additional news websites and team websites from both teams acknowledging a rivalry. They have played 3 times in the playoffs in the last 15 years which makes it one of the most played playoff series in the 2000's. I will say one more thing because I am the creator of these new vikings rivalry pages. I really tried to only add pages that have value and staying power to the Wikipedia platform. It would be tempting to add the 49ers (6 playoff games), Rams (7 playoff games), and Seahawks as historical Vikings rivalry pages given many important playoff games too but those wouldn't have the appeal to sustain success (they are all dead). I think the Eagles page has more of a chance to succeed. One other thing: we went through this exercise on Vikings-Saints and here are some interesting stats since the creation of that page (580 views for Saints-Vikings per Wikipedia PageViews; Bears/Packers, Cowboys/Eagles, and Seahawks/49ers have 39/19/3 views respectively in the same time period). I think I have a sense that the Eagles-Vikings page is worth keeping in a way that Rams-Vikings wouldn't work but that the Vikings-Saints page has been very successful so far. This all being said, the current Eagles-Vikings page needs work on sources and content so its a work in progress. Jackmar1 ( talk) 17:59, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Needing work on its sources is one thing, but as User:BeanieFan11 and I have demonstrated, the reliable sources simply arenāt there for this one. Page views donāt establish notability, and even if they did, the topic of this AFD is on the Eagles-Vikings page, so your comments on the Saints-Vikings page are irrelevant. Lastly, while having 3 playoff meetings since 2000 is impressive, it is original research in establishing a rivalry. Frank Anchor Talk 23:25, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- fair point. I think we wait to get a couple other people to weigh in before we delete it. Jackmar1 ( talk) 24:00, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yep, thatās the point of the AFD process, to allow several days for users to make arguments for or against deletion. Frank Anchor Talk 01:12, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete - There's no more antipathy in this matchup than in any of the others these two teams have, which to me would be a prerequisite of considering this a rivalry. The only game I can even think of between these two teams is the NFC Championship from 2017-18. In general, Vikings fans don't look forward to games against the Eagles, nor do Eagles fans look out for their games against the Vikings. ā Pee Jay 02:30, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. Most of the coverage identified here is not of the WP:GNG variety, i.e., it consists of blogs that lack sufficient reliability or it comes from the clubs' own web sites and thus lacks independence. The article cited by BeanieFan from a Colorado newspaper uses the word "rivalry" in its title but the body of the article makes no reference to, let alone discussion of, rivals or rivalry. The one piece of qualifying SIGCOV brought forward is the ESPN piece identified by BeanieFan -- that one suggests there may be a "real" rivalry developing but GNG requires multiple sources. If more sources are found with similar depth from independent and reliable sources, I could be persuaded to change to a 'keep' vote. Cbl62 ( talk) 18:46, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per Frank Anchor's nomination. Also, BeanieFan11 has demonstrated competent searches for sources on other topics, so I defer to their judgement also in this situation, and back it up 100%. Spf121188 ( talk) 15:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- I've provided all I can on this. I provided an ESPN article, links from both teams, zonecoverage.com ( https://zonecoverage.com/2020/minnesota-vikings-news/new-orleans-seattle-and-the-minnesota-vikings-biggest-non-divisional-rivals/) lists the Eagles as a top five Vikings rival. Philadelphia Inquirer describes the rivalry ( https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/philadelphia-eagles-vikings-us-bank-stadium-super-bowl-lii-jason-kelce-20191010.html). Clearly although its not at the level of the intense divisional rivalries, there is something here. Ultimately though, if I'm the only person defending keeping it, than it probably doesn't belong on the basis of consensus. Jackmar1 ( talk) 18:46, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, although none are currently in the article now, there are a number of reliable sources at Newspapers.com establishing notability of this topic. I no longer have Newspapers.com access, or I would add a few to the article. Ā«Ā Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:52, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- @ Gonzo fan2007: Most of the sources found with "Eagles-Vikings rivalry" (or similar) are related to high school and college games. This is the only newspapers.com article I found calling the Philadelphia Eagles and Minnesota Vikings rivals. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 22:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep Per Gonzo fan2007. There does appear to be a rivalry, as evidenced in several sources, though not as strong as, say, the Eagles-Giants rivalry. I'm going to lean toward keeping this one. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 22:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and BeanieFan. A very small number of sources, fewer of which seem reliable. There needs to be more than a simple record of teams playing each other, but of an ongoing fan culture between the two which is independently reported. I don't bring it up to compare the articles, but compare the nature of the sources in something like Manchester derby, where dedicated coverage is given by sources to discussing the rivalry itself. įµ¹Źį“į“į“Źį“ ź 01:15, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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