The result was no consensus. I am not satisfied that a consensus has formed. There has been several in-depth arguments to keep, but valid points to delete and also a suggestion of a merge mean I am ultimately dissatisfied that it is reasonable to call this either way. The discussion mostly fizzled out in week two, so I see no advantage to an additional relist. KaisaL ( talk) 03:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
promotional. He did write a textbook and may be notable for that but i tried and failed to remove the promotionalism. A plastic surgeon's description of the operations he does is advertising for him. A newspaper's description of him as eminent is not reliably sourced, because only a scientific source will do for that,so its advertising for him also. Lack of notability is not the only reason for deletion. Borderline notability combined with clear promotionalism is an equally good reason. Small variations to the notability standard either way do not fundamentally harm the encycopedia, but accepting articles that are part of a promotional campaign causes great damage. Once we become a vehicle for promotion, we're useless as an encyclopedia DGG ( talk ) 05:50, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
The article notes:
Ousterhout, who practices at the California Pacific Medical Center's Davies campus on Castro Street, is widely considered the country's foremost facial feminization surgeon. This is because of the cranial and maxillofacial techniques he developed to change the shape of the skull. Unlike most plastic surgeons with their standard menu of tummy tucks, eyelid lifts and rhinoplasties, Ousterhout, 70, brings skills he acquired at the Center for Craniofacial Anomalies at the UCSF Medical Center, where for 25 years he was head surgeon and worked on children born with severe skull deformities. In 1998, when HMOs reduced reimbursements for skull surgery ("I wasn't going to be able to afford my practice"), he switched to female feminization surgery full time.
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For $22,000 to $40,000 -- roughly twice the cost of sexual reassignment surgery -- Ousterhout's patients undergo as much as 10 1/2 hours of surgery. They remain in the hospital two days after surgery, then transfer to the Cocoon House, a bed-and-breakfast facility run by two nurses in Noe Valley, for eight days of convalescence.
Eighty-five to 90 percent of Ousterhout's patients are transgender. Ninety-five percent come from outside the Bay Area. "I have one patient who wants the surgery so badly," he says. "She's in a coal-mining town somewhere in Kentucky and she says, 'I don't dare dress as a female where anybody can see me. Literally, I'll be killed.' And she's probably right."
The article notes:
Facial feminization is an aggressive remodeling of every aspect of the facial skeleton. A mere face-lift won’t do it—saws are involved, along with burrs to whittle down bones. A typical operation can last up to 12 hours. But for the patients, it’s worth the risks, the pain, and the high five-figure price. “As a transgendered individual, perhaps nothing is more vital to you than having a body that matches how you feel,” wrote Douglas K. Ousterhout in his 2009 book, Facial Feminization Surgery: A Guide for the Transgendered Woman (Addicus Books).
Semiretired now, Ousterhout is the San Francisco plastic- and cranio-facial surgeon who pioneered the specialty in 1982, after his first transgender patient asked for help. “Dr. O. has done more than 2,000 of these surgeries,” says his associate and handpicked successor, Jordan Deschamps-Braly, who did not do Jenner’s surgery.
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In the 1980s, facial feminization was uncharted territory. To plan his first operation, Ousterhout, who had devoted 25 years to pediatric birth defects, first studied the 1,500 human crania in the Atkinson Skull Collection at the University of Pacific School of Dentistry, comparing male and female bone structure. His work eventually became the basis of a whole new surgical specialty. We don't know exactly what procedures Jenner underwent, but the following is Ousterhout and Deschamps-Braly’s menu of the most important feminization procedures—and a tiny snapshot of what’s involved. (Warning: What follows is not for the squeamish.)
The result was no consensus. I am not satisfied that a consensus has formed. There has been several in-depth arguments to keep, but valid points to delete and also a suggestion of a merge mean I am ultimately dissatisfied that it is reasonable to call this either way. The discussion mostly fizzled out in week two, so I see no advantage to an additional relist. KaisaL ( talk) 03:12, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
promotional. He did write a textbook and may be notable for that but i tried and failed to remove the promotionalism. A plastic surgeon's description of the operations he does is advertising for him. A newspaper's description of him as eminent is not reliably sourced, because only a scientific source will do for that,so its advertising for him also. Lack of notability is not the only reason for deletion. Borderline notability combined with clear promotionalism is an equally good reason. Small variations to the notability standard either way do not fundamentally harm the encycopedia, but accepting articles that are part of a promotional campaign causes great damage. Once we become a vehicle for promotion, we're useless as an encyclopedia DGG ( talk ) 05:50, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
The article notes:
Ousterhout, who practices at the California Pacific Medical Center's Davies campus on Castro Street, is widely considered the country's foremost facial feminization surgeon. This is because of the cranial and maxillofacial techniques he developed to change the shape of the skull. Unlike most plastic surgeons with their standard menu of tummy tucks, eyelid lifts and rhinoplasties, Ousterhout, 70, brings skills he acquired at the Center for Craniofacial Anomalies at the UCSF Medical Center, where for 25 years he was head surgeon and worked on children born with severe skull deformities. In 1998, when HMOs reduced reimbursements for skull surgery ("I wasn't going to be able to afford my practice"), he switched to female feminization surgery full time.
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For $22,000 to $40,000 -- roughly twice the cost of sexual reassignment surgery -- Ousterhout's patients undergo as much as 10 1/2 hours of surgery. They remain in the hospital two days after surgery, then transfer to the Cocoon House, a bed-and-breakfast facility run by two nurses in Noe Valley, for eight days of convalescence.
Eighty-five to 90 percent of Ousterhout's patients are transgender. Ninety-five percent come from outside the Bay Area. "I have one patient who wants the surgery so badly," he says. "She's in a coal-mining town somewhere in Kentucky and she says, 'I don't dare dress as a female where anybody can see me. Literally, I'll be killed.' And she's probably right."
The article notes:
Facial feminization is an aggressive remodeling of every aspect of the facial skeleton. A mere face-lift won’t do it—saws are involved, along with burrs to whittle down bones. A typical operation can last up to 12 hours. But for the patients, it’s worth the risks, the pain, and the high five-figure price. “As a transgendered individual, perhaps nothing is more vital to you than having a body that matches how you feel,” wrote Douglas K. Ousterhout in his 2009 book, Facial Feminization Surgery: A Guide for the Transgendered Woman (Addicus Books).
Semiretired now, Ousterhout is the San Francisco plastic- and cranio-facial surgeon who pioneered the specialty in 1982, after his first transgender patient asked for help. “Dr. O. has done more than 2,000 of these surgeries,” says his associate and handpicked successor, Jordan Deschamps-Braly, who did not do Jenner’s surgery.
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In the 1980s, facial feminization was uncharted territory. To plan his first operation, Ousterhout, who had devoted 25 years to pediatric birth defects, first studied the 1,500 human crania in the Atkinson Skull Collection at the University of Pacific School of Dentistry, comparing male and female bone structure. His work eventually became the basis of a whole new surgical specialty. We don't know exactly what procedures Jenner underwent, but the following is Ousterhout and Deschamps-Braly’s menu of the most important feminization procedures—and a tiny snapshot of what’s involved. (Warning: What follows is not for the squeamish.)