The result was delete. Those favoring retention of the article primarily focused on the subject's opinion being offered as expert commentary in the online article. Those favoring deletion noted a lack of the indicia of notability that are accepted under the applicable notability guideline. The deletion position is more compliant with existing site policy/guidelines, and the "keep" camp has not shown a nexus between commentary and lasting notability. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 23:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC) reply
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WP:NOTABILITY Self-published author lacking in significant sales or coverage. Closest to notable coverage listed is the NBC News link, but that's them talking to him about Mars, not talking about him. Nat Gertler ( talk) 00:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC) reply
Reasons why the article should be kept:
Consultation as an expert testimony on an issue in a national news coverage media venue, denotes professional status and subject expertise. The individual is also noted as an educator and radio talk show host in addition to being an author Bides time ( talk) 00:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC). In the recorded interview (available online), the author is being interviewed about his science fiction books and the subject matter discussed in them (Mars colonization). Bides time ( talk) 00:55, 11 August 2013 (UTC) reply
The author is being interviewed about his science fiction writing as shown in some of these excerpts from the interview. (For the full interview, see Alan Boyle: Curiosity on Mars.
Boyle: "Doug, does a lot of work, as I said, with science fact as well as science fiction, and that is always an interesting intersection for us."
Boyle: "Do you have any more grist for maybe some future science fiction stories from what's been found already? How are your gears turning when you think about what new discoveries of Mars mean for better or more compelling science fiction?"
Turnbull: "Well I try to keep my stories as closely related to the science as it's understood today as possible, and every little fact that they glean is helpful in creating a new story...To have the actual physical samples to tell us whether or not the soil has phosphates in it and things like that, all of which would be critical if you were going to have a settlement on Mars. In fact, that's the theme of most of my stories. Is the soil going to be at all useful for farming, for example. [Must] you have a greenhouse where you have to grow everything hydroponically or can you actually use some of the Martian soil and grow the same sorts of plants that we grow here on Earth? Those are all facts that Curiosity and the folks there at NASA JPL are discovering every day."
Boyle: "That's a good point. That the reality of planetary exploration can trumph the fantasy that we have about what Mars or other planets are like. You know, I'm thinking of the John Carter on Mars stories that Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote and these fanciful views of Mars that seem so old fashioned nowadays. It kind of now strains plausibility nowadays to read those stories that they really aren't talking about a real Mars. They are talking about fantastical planets that carry the same name. Do you feel as if as we learn more about other planets that they get more boring as a focus for a work of science fiction?"
Specific habitats and issues are discussed such as the availability of water and sources of habitats such as lava tubes, of which Turbull replies with a similar example from the settings of his stories where colonists live in caves, and why this is important for the health of astronauts and a feasible solution financially.
Boyle: "When you look back at your stories are there things that you are kind of proud of as anticipating what the reality is on Mars or are there things that you wrote that you thought for sure this is the way it is and then it turned out that it was totally wrong?"
Bides time ( talk) 02:11, 11 August 2013 (UTC) reply
KEEP - I am the Producer of Virtually Speaking Science, which has three regular hosts. Alan Boyle is the Science Editor for NBC Digital. His blog is CosmicLog on the NBC site. He participate with the approval of NBC and links to his interviews on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtually-speaking-science. The two sites are linked but not the same entity. See this VSS website: "Virtually Speaking Science Informal conversations hosted by science writers Alan Boyle, Tom Levenson and Jennifer Ouellette, who explore the often-volatile landscape of science, politics and policy, the history and economics of science, science" http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtually-speaking-science. In addition to the source cited in the article (Boyle, Alan. "Relive Curiosity rover's triumphs ... and find out what's next on Mars." NBC News. August 7, 2013. Accessed August 10, 2013. http://www.nbcnews.com/science/relive-curiosity-rovers-triumphs-find-out-whats-next-mars-6C10871874), this website explains Boyle's relationship to NBC: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10912485/ns/technology_and_science/t/alan-boyle/#.UgvN3pK1G3E. Again, the sites are linked, but they are different, and that counts as two different external sources for notability. -- Sherry Reson ( talk) 09:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC) reply
Whether or not you agree with her reasons, her vote still counts. Bides time ( talk) 21:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC) reply
Self publishing by itself should not be a condemnation of notability. See: Self_publishing#Self-published_best-sellers. Bides time ( talk) 22:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC) reply
Andrew Lenahan, there is no need for profanity WP:CIVIL, and trying to get me to reveal personal information about my identity WP:OUTING is not going to work.
I found a signed review of his book Footprints in Red and added it to the article. There may be more things in print versions not available online, but I have not had time to look for them. Bides time ( talk) 00:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC) reply
The result was delete. Those favoring retention of the article primarily focused on the subject's opinion being offered as expert commentary in the online article. Those favoring deletion noted a lack of the indicia of notability that are accepted under the applicable notability guideline. The deletion position is more compliant with existing site policy/guidelines, and the "keep" camp has not shown a nexus between commentary and lasting notability. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 23:48, 21 August 2013 (UTC) reply
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WP:NOTABILITY Self-published author lacking in significant sales or coverage. Closest to notable coverage listed is the NBC News link, but that's them talking to him about Mars, not talking about him. Nat Gertler ( talk) 00:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC) reply
Reasons why the article should be kept:
Consultation as an expert testimony on an issue in a national news coverage media venue, denotes professional status and subject expertise. The individual is also noted as an educator and radio talk show host in addition to being an author Bides time ( talk) 00:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC). In the recorded interview (available online), the author is being interviewed about his science fiction books and the subject matter discussed in them (Mars colonization). Bides time ( talk) 00:55, 11 August 2013 (UTC) reply
The author is being interviewed about his science fiction writing as shown in some of these excerpts from the interview. (For the full interview, see Alan Boyle: Curiosity on Mars.
Boyle: "Doug, does a lot of work, as I said, with science fact as well as science fiction, and that is always an interesting intersection for us."
Boyle: "Do you have any more grist for maybe some future science fiction stories from what's been found already? How are your gears turning when you think about what new discoveries of Mars mean for better or more compelling science fiction?"
Turnbull: "Well I try to keep my stories as closely related to the science as it's understood today as possible, and every little fact that they glean is helpful in creating a new story...To have the actual physical samples to tell us whether or not the soil has phosphates in it and things like that, all of which would be critical if you were going to have a settlement on Mars. In fact, that's the theme of most of my stories. Is the soil going to be at all useful for farming, for example. [Must] you have a greenhouse where you have to grow everything hydroponically or can you actually use some of the Martian soil and grow the same sorts of plants that we grow here on Earth? Those are all facts that Curiosity and the folks there at NASA JPL are discovering every day."
Boyle: "That's a good point. That the reality of planetary exploration can trumph the fantasy that we have about what Mars or other planets are like. You know, I'm thinking of the John Carter on Mars stories that Edgar Rice Burroughs wrote and these fanciful views of Mars that seem so old fashioned nowadays. It kind of now strains plausibility nowadays to read those stories that they really aren't talking about a real Mars. They are talking about fantastical planets that carry the same name. Do you feel as if as we learn more about other planets that they get more boring as a focus for a work of science fiction?"
Specific habitats and issues are discussed such as the availability of water and sources of habitats such as lava tubes, of which Turbull replies with a similar example from the settings of his stories where colonists live in caves, and why this is important for the health of astronauts and a feasible solution financially.
Boyle: "When you look back at your stories are there things that you are kind of proud of as anticipating what the reality is on Mars or are there things that you wrote that you thought for sure this is the way it is and then it turned out that it was totally wrong?"
Bides time ( talk) 02:11, 11 August 2013 (UTC) reply
KEEP - I am the Producer of Virtually Speaking Science, which has three regular hosts. Alan Boyle is the Science Editor for NBC Digital. His blog is CosmicLog on the NBC site. He participate with the approval of NBC and links to his interviews on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtually-speaking-science. The two sites are linked but not the same entity. See this VSS website: "Virtually Speaking Science Informal conversations hosted by science writers Alan Boyle, Tom Levenson and Jennifer Ouellette, who explore the often-volatile landscape of science, politics and policy, the history and economics of science, science" http://www.blogtalkradio.com/virtually-speaking-science. In addition to the source cited in the article (Boyle, Alan. "Relive Curiosity rover's triumphs ... and find out what's next on Mars." NBC News. August 7, 2013. Accessed August 10, 2013. http://www.nbcnews.com/science/relive-curiosity-rovers-triumphs-find-out-whats-next-mars-6C10871874), this website explains Boyle's relationship to NBC: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10912485/ns/technology_and_science/t/alan-boyle/#.UgvN3pK1G3E. Again, the sites are linked, but they are different, and that counts as two different external sources for notability. -- Sherry Reson ( talk) 09:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC) reply
Whether or not you agree with her reasons, her vote still counts. Bides time ( talk) 21:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC) reply
Self publishing by itself should not be a condemnation of notability. See: Self_publishing#Self-published_best-sellers. Bides time ( talk) 22:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC) reply
Andrew Lenahan, there is no need for profanity WP:CIVIL, and trying to get me to reveal personal information about my identity WP:OUTING is not going to work.
I found a signed review of his book Footprints in Red and added it to the article. There may be more things in print versions not available online, but I have not had time to look for them. Bides time ( talk) 00:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC) reply