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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Dixie Mall
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Unnecessary dab. Neither entity is called "Dixie Mall". Previous AFD was "procedurally closed" for an inexplicable reason. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 19:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Both entities are also called "Dixie Mall"; necessary disambiguation unless one of the entities is identified as the primary topic for a
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT from the base name. --
JHunterJ (
talk)
19:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- There's no immediate evidence that either is called Dixie Mall though. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
21:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Google search, as mentioned in the last deletion discussion, as well as the bus station name for the Canadian mall, and cited article text for the Illinois mall. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 11:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- There's no immediate evidence that either is called Dixie Mall though. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
21:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Something about this name is triggering weird responses among experienced editors, with two recent malformed/procedural closes. This logo
File:Dixie Outlet Mall logo.png comes pretty darn close to indicating this is or was a common name for that mall. It is what it is. The presence of this title on Wikipedia should not be construed as "support" for the name by Wikipedia editors. And in Illinois, "In a last-ditch effort to bring back shoppers and tenants, the mall underwent a renovation in 1976 and shortened its name to simply Dixie Mall." If we never redirected from former names, then {{
R from former name}} would be deleted. There is also {{
R from alternative name}}. –
wbm1058 (
talk)
03:41, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note that the move request that triggered your experienced editor weird procedural close as malformed wasn't malformed. Redirects can be moved, and letting that discussion resolve would have avoided this one. --
JHunterJ (
talk)
11:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
-
JHunterJ, the fact that redirects can technically be moved doesn't mean that they should be moved. Your request was
flagged as malformed by my bot. Articles are moved; redirects are retargeted or deleted. If you wanted to move
Dixie Outlet Mall to
Dixie Mall (Ontario) you should have said so. I don't really understand what you were proposing or why anything should have been done with that other than what I did.
wbm1058 (
talk)
12:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- at 12:23, 29 June 2020 Wbm1058 deleted page Dixie Mall (G6: Deleted to make way for move)
- That your bot flagged it as malformed doesn't mean it was malformed. I didn't want to (nor did I propose to) move the outlet mall to the qualified title. In this case, moving the redirect would have been useful for keeping its history for use in the disambiguation page (which the disambiguation page is using, but I had to re-create the redirect).
WP:MOVEREDIRECT. In any case, if in your opinion the request was malformed, the result shouldn't have been to simply execute the request, but to re-form it. Consider updating your bot to allow for
WP:MOVEREDIRECT cases, or at least examine its reports with that caveat. --
JHunterJ (
talk)
12:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I still don't understand. The
history I deleted to make way for the move consists of just three edits, all redirects, all yours. There are no "disambiguation edits to use" there. What purpose would be served by moving that to another page, other than to confuse matters?
wbm1058 (
talk)
12:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I moved some of the history to Dixie Mall (Illinois)] (a redirect). The history of the redirect (which was my edit) to the Canadian mall could have been moved to Dixie Mall (Ontario) (a redirect). The current disambiguation page uses both of those redirects. How would any reader be confused by those redirects' edit histories? -- JHunterJ ( talk) 13:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I still don't understand. The
history I deleted to make way for the move consists of just three edits, all redirects, all yours. There are no "disambiguation edits to use" there. What purpose would be served by moving that to another page, other than to confuse matters?
wbm1058 (
talk)
12:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
-
JHunterJ, the fact that redirects can technically be moved doesn't mean that they should be moved. Your request was
flagged as malformed by my bot. Articles are moved; redirects are retargeted or deleted. If you wanted to move
Dixie Outlet Mall to
Dixie Mall (Ontario) you should have said so. I don't really understand what you were proposing or why anything should have been done with that other than what I did.
wbm1058 (
talk)
12:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note that the move request that triggered your experienced editor weird procedural close as malformed wasn't malformed. Redirects can be moved, and letting that discussion resolve would have avoided this one. --
JHunterJ (
talk)
11:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Searching for Dixie Mall brings up a surge of references for Dixie Square from the mid-70s at newspapers.com. The mall
very clearly used it in their own marketing as early as Christmas 1975.
Raymie (
t •
c)
06:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- @
Wbm1058: @
Raymie: but is there any evidence that Dixie Outlet Mall ever dropped the "outlet" part? Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
08:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- An " outlet mall" is a specific type of mall, but it's still a mall. Some reviewers here are questioning the worthiness of the term "outlet" as a proper description of the mall. wbm1058 ( talk) 11:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- @
Wbm1058: @
Raymie: but is there any evidence that Dixie Outlet Mall ever dropped the "outlet" part? Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
08:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- @ TenPoundHammer: Well, if you mean in a legal sense, I doubt that the name has been legally changed from "Dixie Outlet Mall" (if indeed that was ever its legal name (doubtful in itself), its original public name was "Dixie Plaza"), but informally, and in news reports, it is often referred to as "Dixie Mall" "Dixie Mall sold: Mississauga landmark will 'evolve,' but not be demolished under new ownership" where the new owners consistently call it "Dixie Mall", "Dixie Mall Developing More Sinkholes", "Walking Maps - Dixie Mall", The Fertilizer Institute of Ontario, 1250 South Service Rd., Suite 203, Dixie Mall from Directory of Fertilizer Plants in the United States page 6, "WGG! is a LAN centre at Dixie Mall ( 1250 South Service Rd) in Mississauga known for their Halo 3 and to a lesser extent, their Cod4 tournaments.", "Man stabbed during robbery inside Dixie Mall", "Man suffers life-threatening injuries in hit-and-run near Dixie Mall", and many more. -- Bejnar ( talk) 01:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: It's really not needed. Also, locals call the Ontario one the Dixie Outlet Mall, from my experience. But we could get the same amount of information by just having a link at the top of each page says "For the Dixie Mall in XXXX, click here"
TimeEngineer (
talk)
05:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Which one, if either, should
Dixie Mall land the reader on, in order to find that hatnote? --
JHunterJ (
talk)
11:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Probably the Ontario mall, since it's still open and operating.
TimeEngineer (
talk)
13:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- wbm1058, this is why the correctly-formed move discussion should have been allowed to play out. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 14:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Probably the Ontario mall, since it's still open and operating.
TimeEngineer (
talk)
13:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Which one, if either, should
Dixie Mall land the reader on, in order to find that hatnote? --
JHunterJ (
talk)
11:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep proper WP:D which aides our readers. Lightburst ( talk) 16:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Dixie Mall
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Unnecessary dab. Neither entity is called "Dixie Mall". Previous AFD was "procedurally closed" for an inexplicable reason. Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 19:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Both entities are also called "Dixie Mall"; necessary disambiguation unless one of the entities is identified as the primary topic for a
WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT from the base name. --
JHunterJ (
talk)
19:36, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- There's no immediate evidence that either is called Dixie Mall though. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
21:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Google search, as mentioned in the last deletion discussion, as well as the bus station name for the Canadian mall, and cited article text for the Illinois mall. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 11:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- There's no immediate evidence that either is called Dixie Mall though. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
21:11, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Something about this name is triggering weird responses among experienced editors, with two recent malformed/procedural closes. This logo
File:Dixie Outlet Mall logo.png comes pretty darn close to indicating this is or was a common name for that mall. It is what it is. The presence of this title on Wikipedia should not be construed as "support" for the name by Wikipedia editors. And in Illinois, "In a last-ditch effort to bring back shoppers and tenants, the mall underwent a renovation in 1976 and shortened its name to simply Dixie Mall." If we never redirected from former names, then {{
R from former name}} would be deleted. There is also {{
R from alternative name}}. –
wbm1058 (
talk)
03:41, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note that the move request that triggered your experienced editor weird procedural close as malformed wasn't malformed. Redirects can be moved, and letting that discussion resolve would have avoided this one. --
JHunterJ (
talk)
11:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
-
JHunterJ, the fact that redirects can technically be moved doesn't mean that they should be moved. Your request was
flagged as malformed by my bot. Articles are moved; redirects are retargeted or deleted. If you wanted to move
Dixie Outlet Mall to
Dixie Mall (Ontario) you should have said so. I don't really understand what you were proposing or why anything should have been done with that other than what I did.
wbm1058 (
talk)
12:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- at 12:23, 29 June 2020 Wbm1058 deleted page Dixie Mall (G6: Deleted to make way for move)
- That your bot flagged it as malformed doesn't mean it was malformed. I didn't want to (nor did I propose to) move the outlet mall to the qualified title. In this case, moving the redirect would have been useful for keeping its history for use in the disambiguation page (which the disambiguation page is using, but I had to re-create the redirect).
WP:MOVEREDIRECT. In any case, if in your opinion the request was malformed, the result shouldn't have been to simply execute the request, but to re-form it. Consider updating your bot to allow for
WP:MOVEREDIRECT cases, or at least examine its reports with that caveat. --
JHunterJ (
talk)
12:24, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I still don't understand. The
history I deleted to make way for the move consists of just three edits, all redirects, all yours. There are no "disambiguation edits to use" there. What purpose would be served by moving that to another page, other than to confuse matters?
wbm1058 (
talk)
12:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I moved some of the history to Dixie Mall (Illinois)] (a redirect). The history of the redirect (which was my edit) to the Canadian mall could have been moved to Dixie Mall (Ontario) (a redirect). The current disambiguation page uses both of those redirects. How would any reader be confused by those redirects' edit histories? -- JHunterJ ( talk) 13:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- I still don't understand. The
history I deleted to make way for the move consists of just three edits, all redirects, all yours. There are no "disambiguation edits to use" there. What purpose would be served by moving that to another page, other than to confuse matters?
wbm1058 (
talk)
12:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
-
JHunterJ, the fact that redirects can technically be moved doesn't mean that they should be moved. Your request was
flagged as malformed by my bot. Articles are moved; redirects are retargeted or deleted. If you wanted to move
Dixie Outlet Mall to
Dixie Mall (Ontario) you should have said so. I don't really understand what you were proposing or why anything should have been done with that other than what I did.
wbm1058 (
talk)
12:15, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note that the move request that triggered your experienced editor weird procedural close as malformed wasn't malformed. Redirects can be moved, and letting that discussion resolve would have avoided this one. --
JHunterJ (
talk)
11:31, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. Searching for Dixie Mall brings up a surge of references for Dixie Square from the mid-70s at newspapers.com. The mall
very clearly used it in their own marketing as early as Christmas 1975.
Raymie (
t •
c)
06:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- @
Wbm1058: @
Raymie: but is there any evidence that Dixie Outlet Mall ever dropped the "outlet" part? Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
08:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- An " outlet mall" is a specific type of mall, but it's still a mall. Some reviewers here are questioning the worthiness of the term "outlet" as a proper description of the mall. wbm1058 ( talk) 11:19, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- @
Wbm1058: @
Raymie: but is there any evidence that Dixie Outlet Mall ever dropped the "outlet" part? Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)
08:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
- @ TenPoundHammer: Well, if you mean in a legal sense, I doubt that the name has been legally changed from "Dixie Outlet Mall" (if indeed that was ever its legal name (doubtful in itself), its original public name was "Dixie Plaza"), but informally, and in news reports, it is often referred to as "Dixie Mall" "Dixie Mall sold: Mississauga landmark will 'evolve,' but not be demolished under new ownership" where the new owners consistently call it "Dixie Mall", "Dixie Mall Developing More Sinkholes", "Walking Maps - Dixie Mall", The Fertilizer Institute of Ontario, 1250 South Service Rd., Suite 203, Dixie Mall from Directory of Fertilizer Plants in the United States page 6, "WGG! is a LAN centre at Dixie Mall ( 1250 South Service Rd) in Mississauga known for their Halo 3 and to a lesser extent, their Cod4 tournaments.", "Man stabbed during robbery inside Dixie Mall", "Man suffers life-threatening injuries in hit-and-run near Dixie Mall", and many more. -- Bejnar ( talk) 01:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Delete: It's really not needed. Also, locals call the Ontario one the Dixie Outlet Mall, from my experience. But we could get the same amount of information by just having a link at the top of each page says "For the Dixie Mall in XXXX, click here"
TimeEngineer (
talk)
05:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Which one, if either, should
Dixie Mall land the reader on, in order to find that hatnote? --
JHunterJ (
talk)
11:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Probably the Ontario mall, since it's still open and operating.
TimeEngineer (
talk)
13:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- wbm1058, this is why the correctly-formed move discussion should have been allowed to play out. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 14:00, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Probably the Ontario mall, since it's still open and operating.
TimeEngineer (
talk)
13:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Which one, if either, should
Dixie Mall land the reader on, in order to find that hatnote? --
JHunterJ (
talk)
11:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Keep proper WP:D which aides our readers. Lightburst ( talk) 16:46, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.