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The result was merge to Indonesian Cooking. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 12:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Dina Yuen
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Non-notable businesswoman and cookbook author. Judging from a quick web search, I don't see in-depth coverage in reputable news outlets that would lead me to assume see she meets our notability guidelines, e.g., WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE or WP:NAUTHOR. Also want to note that most of the article creator's ( Cookiecupcake) edits have been to this article. Bridget (talk) 21:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete One mention in the Jakarta Post, in a list of cookbooks, and her books in Google. That's about all I can find. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:38, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect to
Indonesian Cooking, her book, per
Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion and per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources about her book.
- Significant coverage about her book, Indonesian Cooking:
- Batcha, Alijah (2012-04-15).
"Indonesian Cooking: Satays, Sambals and More" (PDF).
Berita Harian (in Malay). Archived from
the original (PDF) on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
The book review notes: "Seperti kebanyakan buku masak makan Asia terbitan Tuttle Publishing, buku masak yang terbaharu ini juga disisipkan dengan cara-cara membuat sos dan pencecah yang biasanya disertakan dengan hidangan. Buku ini mengandungi 81 resipi masakan rumah dari beberapa daerah di Indonesia seperti Jawa Timur, Bali dan Jawa Barat. Selain daripada cara-cara membuat sos dan pencecah, buku ini juga mengemukakan beberapa tip dan technik memasak seperti kebaikan menggunakan batu lesung, cara yang betul menggoreng nasi dan mi dan cara mengyimpan herba supaya boleh bertahan lama."
From Google Translate: "Like most Asian cookbooks published by Tuttle Publishing, this latest cookbook is also interspersed with ways of making sauces and toppings that are usually included with dishes. This book contains 81 home cooking recipes from several regions in Indonesia such as East Java, Bali and West Java. Apart from the ways to make sauces and toppings, this book also presents some cooking tips and techniques such as the benefits of using a mortar and pestle, the correct way to fry rice and noodles and how to store herbs so that they can last a long time."
- Tripathi, Manote (2012-02-25).
"The spice of Indonesian life: A new cookbook will have you serving up everything from nasi goreng to masakan jawa" (PDF).
The Nation. Archived from
the original (PDF) on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
The book review notes: "The dishes in this book range from the familiar to the exotic. Yuen offers easy-to-follow recipes to introduce each of these dishes that celebrate the use of organic products, fresh herbs and spices. The dishes laid out in this book reflect the breadth and depth of Indonesia’s vast culinary culture."
Since Indonesian Cooking has been reviewed in Berita Harian, and The Nation, it meets Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria.A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:
- The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
- Batcha, Alijah (2012-04-15).
"Indonesian Cooking: Satays, Sambals and More" (PDF).
Berita Harian (in Malay). Archived from
the original (PDF) on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
- Less significant coverage or passing mentions about her book Indonesian Cooking:
- Rahmiasri, Masajeng (2016-06-26).
"Four great Indonesian cookbooks for your kitchen shelf".
The Jakarta Post. Archived from
the original on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
This is a three-sentence book review. The book review notes: "With a desire to make an easy guide that anyone could follow in mind, Dina Yuen wrote this recipe book based on her experience in Jakarta. The Chinese-Russian chef and entrepreneur has learned about Indonesian culinary traditions since moving to Jakarta at the age of 12. Some of the recipes in the book are satay, gado-gado (steamed vegetables with peanut dressing), oxtail soup, and terong balado (eggplant sambal) recipe."
- Cicero, Linda (2012-04-25).
"Cicero: Take a dip into Indonesia with savory peanut sauce".
Athens Banner-Herald. Archived from
the original on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
The column spends four sentences on the book Indonesian Cooking. The column notes: "I'd just started cooking from a fascinating new cookbook, "Indonesian Cooking" by Dina Yuen (Tuttle, $16.95). Yuen explores the tastes of Indonesia, with its myriad culinary influences from Asian neighbors and European colonizers. She gives a great introduction to Indonesian cooking while also making it easy to find what you need in Western markets."
- Levy, Faye (2013-04-18).
"Craving coconut curry: The fish soup enriched with coconut milk came in a very large bowl. It was flaming red in color and turned out to be fiery in taste".
The Jerusalem Post. Archived from
the original on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
The article notes: "This recipe is from “Indonesian cooking.” Author Dina Yuen notes that the coconut milk blends with the other ingredients to create a rich and succulent stock. Yuen adds 3 pieces sliced fresh galangal along with the ginger, but the soup has plenty of flavor without it."
- Rahmiasri, Masajeng (2016-06-26).
"Four great Indonesian cookbooks for your kitchen shelf".
The Jakarta Post. Archived from
the original on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
- Significant coverage about her book, Indonesian Cooking:
- Question: Are these sources sufficient for Dina Yuen to meet WP:NAUTHOR? Cunard ( talk) 09:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to book article. My impression is that if there is only one notable book, we usually just have an article on the book (putting brief author info in a “background” section) unless there is enough biographical coverage to also be a GNG pass for the person. I wouldn’t argue for a NAUTHOR pass on the basis of just one cookbook. This is a solid NBOOK pass for the book though so a merge seems like a great alternative to deletion. ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 04:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge. I think Cunard's sources are enough to show that the cookbook passes WP:NBOOK, which notes that reviews can count toward establishing notability. Arguing that Yuen also meets WP:NAUTHOR would probably be a stretch, and in any event we have editorial discretion to decide that both the author and the book should be discussed in the same article. Merging to an article that doesn't yet exist is somewhat odd, but I'm aware of no policy or guideline forbidding it. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Thank you all for your comments and feedback about the sources and the guidelines WP:NBOOK and WP:NAUTHOR. I've created Indonesian Cooking. Cunard ( talk) 09:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was merge to Indonesian Cooking. (non-admin closure) Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 12:38, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Dina Yuen
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Non-notable businesswoman and cookbook author. Judging from a quick web search, I don't see in-depth coverage in reputable news outlets that would lead me to assume see she meets our notability guidelines, e.g., WP:NBUSINESSPEOPLE or WP:NAUTHOR. Also want to note that most of the article creator's ( Cookiecupcake) edits have been to this article. Bridget (talk) 21:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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- Delete One mention in the Jakarta Post, in a list of cookbooks, and her books in Google. That's about all I can find. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:38, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge/redirect to
Indonesian Cooking, her book, per
Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion and per the significant coverage in multiple independent
reliable sources about her book.
- Significant coverage about her book, Indonesian Cooking:
- Batcha, Alijah (2012-04-15).
"Indonesian Cooking: Satays, Sambals and More" (PDF).
Berita Harian (in Malay). Archived from
the original (PDF) on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
The book review notes: "Seperti kebanyakan buku masak makan Asia terbitan Tuttle Publishing, buku masak yang terbaharu ini juga disisipkan dengan cara-cara membuat sos dan pencecah yang biasanya disertakan dengan hidangan. Buku ini mengandungi 81 resipi masakan rumah dari beberapa daerah di Indonesia seperti Jawa Timur, Bali dan Jawa Barat. Selain daripada cara-cara membuat sos dan pencecah, buku ini juga mengemukakan beberapa tip dan technik memasak seperti kebaikan menggunakan batu lesung, cara yang betul menggoreng nasi dan mi dan cara mengyimpan herba supaya boleh bertahan lama."
From Google Translate: "Like most Asian cookbooks published by Tuttle Publishing, this latest cookbook is also interspersed with ways of making sauces and toppings that are usually included with dishes. This book contains 81 home cooking recipes from several regions in Indonesia such as East Java, Bali and West Java. Apart from the ways to make sauces and toppings, this book also presents some cooking tips and techniques such as the benefits of using a mortar and pestle, the correct way to fry rice and noodles and how to store herbs so that they can last a long time."
- Tripathi, Manote (2012-02-25).
"The spice of Indonesian life: A new cookbook will have you serving up everything from nasi goreng to masakan jawa" (PDF).
The Nation. Archived from
the original (PDF) on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
The book review notes: "The dishes in this book range from the familiar to the exotic. Yuen offers easy-to-follow recipes to introduce each of these dishes that celebrate the use of organic products, fresh herbs and spices. The dishes laid out in this book reflect the breadth and depth of Indonesia’s vast culinary culture."
Since Indonesian Cooking has been reviewed in Berita Harian, and The Nation, it meets Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria.A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:
- The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
- Batcha, Alijah (2012-04-15).
"Indonesian Cooking: Satays, Sambals and More" (PDF).
Berita Harian (in Malay). Archived from
the original (PDF) on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
- Less significant coverage or passing mentions about her book Indonesian Cooking:
- Rahmiasri, Masajeng (2016-06-26).
"Four great Indonesian cookbooks for your kitchen shelf".
The Jakarta Post. Archived from
the original on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
This is a three-sentence book review. The book review notes: "With a desire to make an easy guide that anyone could follow in mind, Dina Yuen wrote this recipe book based on her experience in Jakarta. The Chinese-Russian chef and entrepreneur has learned about Indonesian culinary traditions since moving to Jakarta at the age of 12. Some of the recipes in the book are satay, gado-gado (steamed vegetables with peanut dressing), oxtail soup, and terong balado (eggplant sambal) recipe."
- Cicero, Linda (2012-04-25).
"Cicero: Take a dip into Indonesia with savory peanut sauce".
Athens Banner-Herald. Archived from
the original on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
The column spends four sentences on the book Indonesian Cooking. The column notes: "I'd just started cooking from a fascinating new cookbook, "Indonesian Cooking" by Dina Yuen (Tuttle, $16.95). Yuen explores the tastes of Indonesia, with its myriad culinary influences from Asian neighbors and European colonizers. She gives a great introduction to Indonesian cooking while also making it easy to find what you need in Western markets."
- Levy, Faye (2013-04-18).
"Craving coconut curry: The fish soup enriched with coconut milk came in a very large bowl. It was flaming red in color and turned out to be fiery in taste".
The Jerusalem Post. Archived from
the original on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
The article notes: "This recipe is from “Indonesian cooking.” Author Dina Yuen notes that the coconut milk blends with the other ingredients to create a rich and succulent stock. Yuen adds 3 pieces sliced fresh galangal along with the ginger, but the soup has plenty of flavor without it."
- Rahmiasri, Masajeng (2016-06-26).
"Four great Indonesian cookbooks for your kitchen shelf".
The Jakarta Post. Archived from
the original on 2022-03-22. Retrieved 2022-03-22.
- Significant coverage about her book, Indonesian Cooking:
- Question: Are these sources sufficient for Dina Yuen to meet WP:NAUTHOR? Cunard ( talk) 09:52, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to book article. My impression is that if there is only one notable book, we usually just have an article on the book (putting brief author info in a “background” section) unless there is enough biographical coverage to also be a GNG pass for the person. I wouldn’t argue for a NAUTHOR pass on the basis of just one cookbook. This is a solid NBOOK pass for the book though so a merge seems like a great alternative to deletion. ~ L 🌸 ( talk) 04:45, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge. I think Cunard's sources are enough to show that the cookbook passes WP:NBOOK, which notes that reviews can count toward establishing notability. Arguing that Yuen also meets WP:NAUTHOR would probably be a stretch, and in any event we have editorial discretion to decide that both the author and the book should be discussed in the same article. Merging to an article that doesn't yet exist is somewhat odd, but I'm aware of no policy or guideline forbidding it. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 00:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Thank you all for your comments and feedback about the sources and the guidelines WP:NBOOK and WP:NAUTHOR. I've created Indonesian Cooking. Cunard ( talk) 09:53, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.