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The result was Draftify.. Going with those coming late to the discussion and also because the nominator changed to supporting draftification. Liz Read! Talk! 21:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Dikko Umaru Radda
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Future political candidate so may be notable at some point, but not at the moment. Mccapra ( talk) 22:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Nigeria. Mccapra ( talk) 22:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep he is partially notable because he has covered some media coverage. Gartuwaso ( talk) 12:09, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete wildly misses the mark for meeting WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. PRAXIDICAE🌈 13:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Keep— Radda served as the chairman /DG/CEO of SMEDAN, which is a government-owned national organisation which means he meets WP:NPOL#1. Promotional? Maybe. Needs deleting? Deleting is not clean up. Best, RB Talk to the Beans? 11:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Are appointed government offices viewed the same way as elected offices under NPOL? I'm not sure that this is a correct interpretation of NPOL.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I believe it depends. There is precedent for accepting appointed senators and state senators under dictatorships. However senior civil servants are a bit like CEOs. Nobody gets an article just because they’ve run a large regional company. Mccapra ( talk) 20:29, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Are appointed government offices viewed the same way as elected offices under NPOL? I'm not sure that this is a correct interpretation of NPOL.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —ScottyWong— 02:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)- Keep — He was until recently the head of a fairly important government agency and only raised in notability as a gubernatorial candidate. Plus plenty of media coverage. Watercheetah99 ( talk) 05:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - First keep submission argues "partial" notability". There is no such thing. One either meets the standard for notability or they do not. Meeting NPOL #1 is not satisfied merely through appointment, coverage must also follow. Also, a government agency does not meet this criteria? This is a serious misapplication of the criteria which states "The person has been elected, appointed, or otherwise selected to be the head of state or government in any country". The subject has not. There is no meeting NPOL here and general notability also not established. First source is not independent, as it is a profile by his institution. Second source is primary. Third is trivial rehashing of some remarks made and does not address subject in detail. Fourth is trivial. Fifth also. No substantiated claim to notability can be made. MaxnaCarta ( talk) 23:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: fails BASIC. –– FormalDude talk 14:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please provide the sources if those exist or back your vote with policies
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless ( talk) 18:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Notable politician. Katsina State has 5.8 million inhabitants. For context, being the APC nominee for governor in Katsina is like being the Republican nominee for governor of Alabama. --
Soman (
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19:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Without multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject, the topic still fails WP:NPOL. They'll be notable if they're elected, but for now it's too soon. –– FormalDude talk 21:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ Soman if the republican nominee for governor of Alabama had insufficient coverage to meet notability guidelines their article would likely be deleted too. Without proper sources, one cannot create a good article without engaging in original research. MaxnaCarta ( talk) 08:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify. I don't think the role at SMEDAN is the sort of political position that NPOL applies to, per above. Whether the available sourcing is adequate is a closer call, but at the moment Radda doesn't quite seem to meet the GNG/WP:BASIC: this article from Leadership has some non-trivial coverage, but most of what I'm seeing isn't in-depth or lacks independence. That being said, he'll certainly met NPOL crit. 1 if elected governor (which seems reasonably likely), and additional sourcing may appear in the near future as the campaign continues. In other words, it's a case of TOOSOON, and draftifying is generally the best response in these sorts of situations as it ensures that the article can be restored easily if and when the subject crosses the notability threshold. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:01, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good course of action. Mccapra ( talk) 07:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify. I'm good with re-drafting this and looking for coverage in the upcoming election. Based on presented sources it's slightly short of NOTE but I see wisdom in going along with User:Extraordinary Writ's suggestion. BusterD ( talk) 00:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I can say notability exist per references from independent reliable sources, moreover, Umar Dikko Radda is contesting for Governatorial election in Katsina State, aired in different publications and newspapers, if deleted the articles will surely be created by some one in the near future. An@ss_koko (speak up) 11:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify As per Extraordinary Writ. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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The result was Draftify.. Going with those coming late to the discussion and also because the nominator changed to supporting draftification. Liz Read! Talk! 21:36, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Dikko Umaru Radda
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Future political candidate so may be notable at some point, but not at the moment. Mccapra ( talk) 22:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Nigeria. Mccapra ( talk) 22:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
- Weak Keep he is partially notable because he has covered some media coverage. Gartuwaso ( talk) 12:09, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete wildly misses the mark for meeting WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. PRAXIDICAE🌈 13:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Keep— Radda served as the chairman /DG/CEO of SMEDAN, which is a government-owned national organisation which means he meets WP:NPOL#1. Promotional? Maybe. Needs deleting? Deleting is not clean up. Best, RB Talk to the Beans? 11:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Are appointed government offices viewed the same way as elected offices under NPOL? I'm not sure that this is a correct interpretation of NPOL.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I believe it depends. There is precedent for accepting appointed senators and state senators under dictatorships. However senior civil servants are a bit like CEOs. Nobody gets an article just because they’ve run a large regional company. Mccapra ( talk) 20:29, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- Are appointed government offices viewed the same way as elected offices under NPOL? I'm not sure that this is a correct interpretation of NPOL.
4meter4 (
talk)
19:42, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:47, 2 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —ScottyWong— 02:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)- Keep — He was until recently the head of a fairly important government agency and only raised in notability as a gubernatorial candidate. Plus plenty of media coverage. Watercheetah99 ( talk) 05:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - First keep submission argues "partial" notability". There is no such thing. One either meets the standard for notability or they do not. Meeting NPOL #1 is not satisfied merely through appointment, coverage must also follow. Also, a government agency does not meet this criteria? This is a serious misapplication of the criteria which states "The person has been elected, appointed, or otherwise selected to be the head of state or government in any country". The subject has not. There is no meeting NPOL here and general notability also not established. First source is not independent, as it is a profile by his institution. Second source is primary. Third is trivial rehashing of some remarks made and does not address subject in detail. Fourth is trivial. Fifth also. No substantiated claim to notability can be made. MaxnaCarta ( talk) 23:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: fails BASIC. –– FormalDude talk 14:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please provide the sources if those exist or back your vote with policies
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless ( talk) 18:26, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Notable politician. Katsina State has 5.8 million inhabitants. For context, being the APC nominee for governor in Katsina is like being the Republican nominee for governor of Alabama. --
Soman (
talk)
19:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Without multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject, the topic still fails WP:NPOL. They'll be notable if they're elected, but for now it's too soon. –– FormalDude talk 21:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- @ Soman if the republican nominee for governor of Alabama had insufficient coverage to meet notability guidelines their article would likely be deleted too. Without proper sources, one cannot create a good article without engaging in original research. MaxnaCarta ( talk) 08:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify. I don't think the role at SMEDAN is the sort of political position that NPOL applies to, per above. Whether the available sourcing is adequate is a closer call, but at the moment Radda doesn't quite seem to meet the GNG/WP:BASIC: this article from Leadership has some non-trivial coverage, but most of what I'm seeing isn't in-depth or lacks independence. That being said, he'll certainly met NPOL crit. 1 if elected governor (which seems reasonably likely), and additional sourcing may appear in the near future as the campaign continues. In other words, it's a case of TOOSOON, and draftifying is generally the best response in these sorts of situations as it ensures that the article can be restored easily if and when the subject crosses the notability threshold. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:01, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- That sounds like a good course of action. Mccapra ( talk) 07:20, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify. I'm good with re-drafting this and looking for coverage in the upcoming election. Based on presented sources it's slightly short of NOTE but I see wisdom in going along with User:Extraordinary Writ's suggestion. BusterD ( talk) 00:48, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I can say notability exist per references from independent reliable sources, moreover, Umar Dikko Radda is contesting for Governatorial election in Katsina State, aired in different publications and newspapers, if deleted the articles will surely be created by some one in the near future. An@ss_koko (speak up) 11:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify As per Extraordinary Writ. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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